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Global Warming: United Nations Climate Report Proves Earth Is Suffering | Politics | Rolling Stone

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It can't be true because Ray says it's all lies.
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It can't be true because Ray says it's all lies.
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Crap, the IPCC have already released a part of the AR5 report that says this unnatural 'global warming' has actually been on hiatus for the last 15-30years and they cannot explain it.

The IPCC/Human Induced Climate Change supporters say that you have to look at the long term trend. Well if that is the case, what was our long term CO2 emission? You cannot cherry pick our current emissions and paste that as the cause of a long term trend.

Long term, CO2 emissions have gone up heaps, average global temps are not even following the CO2 trend and that is supported by IPCC data!

The IPCC are as accurate and correct and non-contradicting as Fairfax media, religion, 7 day weather forecasts and extreme right and left wingers.
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Except when it suits:

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“Met Office spokesman Nicky Maxey was critical of the reports, saying those producing them were “gazing into their crystal ball”. “The science simply doesn’t exist to accurately predict so far in advance. Weather is too unpredictable.”
Met Office blasts weather reports of “worst winter in decades” | North Devon Journal
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Amazing how many in the 'official' climate game are Nobel Laureates or Nobel Prize winners, or so they imply: Hall of Shame Official Members « Fake Nobel Laureates hall of shame, Official Launch of FakeNobelLaureates.com | NoFrakkingConsensus.
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The following individuals have been erroneously described as Nobel laureates or Nobel Prize winners. In some cases, they themselves have made false claims:
  • Jason BOX, Professor, Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland
  • Philip DUFFY, Senior Scientist, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (formerly of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy)
  • William EASTERLING, Dean, Penn State College of Earth and Mineral Sciences
  • Mark JACCARD, Professor, Simon Fraser University
  • Michael MANN, Professor, Pennsylvania State University
  • Rajendra PACHAURI, Chairman, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
  • Steven RUNNING, Professor, University of Montana
  • Sergio TRINDADE, Science & Technology Director, International Fuel Technology
  • Andrew WEAVER, Professor, University of Victoria
So who was erroneously described and who faked their claim. This goes to prove what exactly ???



Is this a case of attacking the messenger rather than the message that you are so fond of saying.
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Ray, you make some good points.

However, I am still yet to see any proof whatsoever that the scientists are wrong. All of the available evidence points to the reality of AGW.

It's quite vexing that we can't separate the science from the politics.
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Herein lies the problem for the CAGW believers.

What AVAILABLE evidence points to the reality of CAGW??

I challenge you to post ANY empirical evidence that provides proof that CAGW exists. At best the scientists have theories and models. The models have numerous forcings and these forcings have different weights. So far, the ACTUAL temperature records aren't matching the models. Something is wrong with the models, more than likely the effects the forcings have on the models.

The models from AR4 actually underestimated the future CO2 concentrate yet the temperatures have remained in hiatus for the last 15-17 years (even the IPCC admits this) yet the models clearly projected an increasing rate of temperature rise with a lower limit of CO2. Clearly the models are wrong!!

In science, the onus of proof is on those that present a hypothosis, not those who question the theories. As yet there is NO proof that CAGW is happening or even caused by man made emissions of CO2

It is just as likely that one, or multiple, other factors influenced the rapid warming in the last century as much or more than CO2.
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That's like asking religious people to prove their persuasion is right
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Rehashing some old classics here Ray!?
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Gentle reminders for the warm mongers, they forget so easily.
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Maybe the MET is just being a little cautious after things like this:
Forecast failure: how the Met Office lost touch with reality » The Spectator


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No... We just dispel the BS and move on.
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So-called global warming would pale into insignificance: 400-metre asteroid sighted may 'blow up the earth' in 2032 | Space, Military and Medicine | News.com.au.
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Cripes Ray! 2032, that's not far off. Nineteen years, climate change won't have killed us all off by then. Maybe this new one is the one to be worrying about?

On the other hand, I know you never see the one that gets you so might as well forgeddaboutit.
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These two cartoons exemplify the absolute tragic nature of the Greens:





Comments over the last few days, that the Greens and their global warming supporters have made about the NSW fires, proves that they have no shame and no morals.
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Two can play that game:



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OK I admit that I am a greenie but this is pretty funny.
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I started from the beginning....got to end of first page and realised, you know, this whole debate keeps going around and around, lets start treating the water, earth, and air with some respect. get down from your political views and think back to basics, lets all agree we need clean water ,earth and air otherwise we wont be here. from there lets build non pollutant and sustainable as a guiding value. yes we live in a electric world and have social needs, but will all mean buttklss if we everything ingest is poison. no one said change from our coal and oil addiction would be easy, but if we all participate in positive constructive manner, solutions will be found because we invent, especially if there is a pain point,
so quit ya being a b1tchin, start making difference.
and yes, i love my electronics and pay extra to have100% renewal power at my home... yes thats right, i have been paying approx $90 a qtr extra for years and am looking forward to when my renewable power is cheaper than the coal/gas power.


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I started from the beginning....got to end of first page and realised, you know, this whole debate keeps going around and around, lets start treating the water, earth, and air with some respect. get down from your political views and think back to basics, lets all agree we need clean water ,earth and air otherwise we wont be here. from there lets build non pollutant and sustainable as a guiding value. yes we live in a electric world and have social needs, but will all mean buttklss if we everything ingest is poison. no one said change from our coal and oil addiction would be easy, but if we all participate in positive constructive manner, solutions will be found because we invent, especially if there is a pain point,
so quit ya being a b1tchin, start making difference.
and yes, i love my electronics and pay extra to have100% renewal power at my home... yes thats right, i have been paying approx $90 a qtr extra for years and am looking forward to when my renewable power is cheaper than the coal/gas power.


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Yes I could not agree more. The debate for and against global warming, or is it climate change or is it green house gas emissions is not really the point but the debate of what or who is right or wrong seems to take over the real point of respecting the environment upon which we all need to survive.
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What about the manufacturing cost of those luxury items ie, electronics.
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