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I've been doing it for years without issue, from memory I was the first to do it, it is written up in my build thread somewhere with the type of filter I used, link in sig. There is a schematic in post 8 on what I did and what I used.

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Thanks, appreciate the response as always guys. Gee, will check out your thread. Will be fishing saturday, so will try and tie up other loose ends so I can get cracking soon.

Then catchcan is last of the NADS to do to my CRD, I believe.
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Hi all,

Just part way through doing the gauges (VDO brand) on my CRD and just gone through the firewall as per @geeyoutoo instructions with the tape covered coat hanger. Worked a treat thanks for the tip mate

Apart from reasonably vague instructions, I'm looking at the supplied hardware for joining the thermocouple to the supplied twin core wire. It is "earth connection" type round terminals and m4ish cap heads about 1.5km long with a nylock. The amount of wire spare is huge, the "connectors" would look pretty hack even if I cut the bolts down as small as possible and used the supplied heat shrink.

I have read on this forum that the cables are a calibrated length for the pyro to read correctly. I am assuming that the whole affair works on resistance and if you change the length of the wire you change the reading. So assuming connections may make small difference too?

Now, my question is: Do you think there is any harm removing the ring terminals and soldering the thermocouple to the supplied cable? Would this have a meaningful effect on the reading in popular opinion?

The good news is if I can work out how to fit gauges anyone can haha.
My good friends at Pyrosales will help you no doubt as they specialise in thermocouple cables. In the meantime, check out the following link: https://www.pyrosales.com.au/tempera...wire-and-cable
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Another dumb question guys.

I purchased a cross country intercooler which arrived yesterday.

Flicking through the destructions, I can see that I'll need to bend the airconditioner pipes. Anyone have experience with this? Is there a "good" way to do it?

Obviously worried about "working" the aluminium, and it cracking later down the track, thus losing refrigerant and costing a lot.

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Another dumb question guys.

I purchased a cross country intercooler which arrived yesterday.

Flicking through the destructions, I can see that I'll need to bend the airconditioner pipes. Anyone have experience with this? Is there a "good" way to do it?

Obviously worried about "working" the aluminium, and it cracking later down the track, thus losing refrigerant and costing a lot.

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No just do it carefully and slowly and gradually, I've bent my aircon pipe near the airbox a few times over the years due to mods, no issues.
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No just do it carefully and slowly and gradually, I've bent my aircon pipe near the airbox a few times over the years due to mods, no issues.
Thanks (again) Gee for the encouragement.

Should be fitting it up next weekend if everything stays to plan. Cant wait to see the difference.
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A few weeks later than planned. But its on and so far looks like a good result for the most part.

I havent wired the fan, I was most interested in the difference it makes at HWY speed first (this is where it struggles IMO).

I have two side effects I did not expect:

1: boost comes on much, much quicker. With stock boost control cruising around the burbs can run 10lbs, and put your boost in I can get 17.5 which tapers back down to the normal 14.5-15 I usually see at WOT.
2: its noisy, really noisy. And I dont think in a good way. Hmmm.... Back on Patrol4x4 for the answer. Not thrilled about having to make changes to a $2500 dollar system. But I dont think the girlfriend or others will be thrilled about a vacuum cleaner water boiling sound coming from the front of my car any time I drive normally. If I was thrashing it'd be fine IMO.

Will look at the thing, and order from the link FesterGU provides here to sort it:
https://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/5903530-post18.html


Got lots of photos of the install too which I might put up for those who want one like me but are hesitant as well and want to know what's involved.
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A few weeks later than planned. But its on and so far looks like a good result for the most part.

I havent wired the fan, I was most interested in the difference it makes at HWY speed first (this is where it struggles IMO).

I have two side effects I did not expect:

1: boost comes on much, much quicker. With stock boost control cruising around the burbs can run 10lbs, and put your boost in I can get 17.5 which tapers back down to the normal 14.5-15 I usually see at WOT.
2: its noisy, really noisy. And I dont think in a good way. Hmmm.... Back on Patrol4x4 for the answer. Not thrilled about having to make changes to a $2500 dollar system. But I dont think the girlfriend or others will be thrilled about a vacuum cleaner water boiling sound coming from the front of my car any time I drive normally. If I was thrashing it'd be fine IMO.

Will look at the thing, and order from the link FesterGU provides here to sort it:
https://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/5903530-post18.html


Got lots of photos of the install too which I might put up for those who want one like me but are hesitant as well and want to know what's involved.
Your saying the IC is noisy?????? I don't get that, made no difference to mine, not like the airbox mods I did but even then if it was noisy my missus would say something and she never has. Are you sure everything is connected correctly and nothing is touching anywhere?
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Your saying the IC is noisy?????? I don't get that, made no difference to mine, not like the airbox mods I did but even then if it was noisy my missus would say something and she never has. Are you sure everything is connected correctly and nothing is touching anywhere?
Yeah I get an air rushing noise in the cab, which I cannot hear with the windows down. I haven't verified (or not) that something may be touching and there may be a leak but I don't think so because we gave everything a good eyeball a couple of times. Will spend some time checking tomorrow afternoon. Surely if I had a boost leak it would be louder with the windows open?

I've done a bit of reading on this and other forums and some guys (albeit I think they had TD42s) do have issues with noise.

The alleged cause is the cooler being solid mounted into it's bracket and reverberating any vibration/noise from the turbo. I rang Cross Country who confirmed this and offer an isolation kit. They say the noise they occasionally encounter fitting these is a squeal from the turbo being amplified.

I described my noise to them as not a squeal, but an rushing, boiling noise.

CC asked me if it was a "snorkel" type noise. It is similar. They confirmed this is "normal" for the ultimate. But the noise I get is about 5 times the volume of the hissing you get in a stock GU so they will send an isolation kit because he said it shouldn't be that loud.

Very happy with the product and so far great customer service.

Oh and the scoop looks tough.
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Had the same noise with my new IC. I rubber bushed every thing and no noise, easy fix.
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Hi guys,

Master procrastinator here with another dopey question.

Going to start on my Dawes setup Friday and am in the process of acquiring bits and and planning my install.

Without buying more bits and welding a barb again, I logically have two choices to taking a pressure reference for the Dawes:

1. tap into boost gauge, however the VDO lines are a smaller size and annoying to work with,

or,

2. use the line from the pressure sensor for the ECU.

Anyone foresee an issue with two? it's the most convenient.

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Master procrastinator here with another dopey question.

Going to start on my Dawes setup Friday and am in the process of acquiring bits and and planning my install.

Without buying more bits and welding a barb again, I logically have two choices to taking a pressure reference for the Dawes:

1. tap into boost gauge, however the VDO lines are a smaller size and annoying to work with,

or,

2. use the line from the pressure sensor for the ECU.

Anyone foresee an issue with two? it's the most convenient.

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You don't want to tee off the feed line to the gauge as it can cause the gauge to read incorrectly. Either put a tee on the fitting where you welded onto the intercooler pipe or get a adaptor for the MAP sensor on the intercooler.

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A post to thank the forum, again. Thanks to the ZD gurus on here.

Only two months later I finally got around to the Dawes. I should not have procrastinated as it's a very easy install. Wow. I thought the ECU was doing alright with boost control. After trying the Dawes, it wasn't. I set up full manual boost control following Chaz's instructions here:

https://www.chaz.yellowfoot.org/Manu...Controller.htm

Straight up kicks ass in comparison, the 'trol goes very well at 18.5psi and cooler EGTs with faster recovery doing it. I was sceptical of driveability improvements but it's much better and much smoother.

I need to tidy up the install a bit so only those who know a ZD bay will see it but overall very, very happy.
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I have the same gauge and it's started playing up now. Working intermittently or even going right round to 900. One of the ring crimp fittings was loose so I recrimped them all. Still playing up so I un coiled all the red wire covered it in split tubing and ran it around the front of the engine bay so it's not all coiled up together. Still playing up. Would it be buggerd? Its probably only 10 months old
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I have the same gauge and it's started playing up now. Working intermittently or even going right round to 900. One of the ring crimp fittings was loose so I recrimped them all. Still playing up so I un coiled all the red wire covered it in split tubing and ran it around the front of the engine bay so it's not all coiled up together. Still playing up. Would it be buggerd? Its probably only 10 months old
Owe mines a td42t. Didn't realize this thread was in the 3l section
Have you made sure everything is still wired up nicely to the gauge?
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I have the same gauge and it's started playing up now. Working intermittently or even going right round to 900. One of the ring crimp fittings was loose so I recrimped them all. Still playing up so I un coiled all the red wire covered it in split tubing and ran it around the front of the engine bay so it's not all coiled up together. Still playing up. Would it be buggerd? Its probably only 10 months old
Owe mines a td42t. Didn't realize this thread was in the 3l section
Have you made sure everything is still wired up nicely to the gauge?
Yes. Re crimped those connectors with good ratchet crimpers yesterday aswell.
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Would it make any difference that it's sharing the same earth as the other 2 gauges? I just soldered all the earth's to one peice of wire then screwed it in to the steal radio bracket.
Stupid thing is it worked perfectly for at least 7 months or so.
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Would it make any difference that it's sharing the same earth as the other 2 gauges? I just soldered all the earth's to one peice of wire then screwed it in to the steal radio bracket.
Stupid thing is it worked perfectly for at least 7 months or so.
I cant remember how I earthed mine. Will mention @skegbudley on this as exactly how the pyro works is unknown to me.
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I cant remember how I earthed mine. Will mention @skegbudley on this as exactly how the pyro works is unknown to me.
Have not read far back into thread. With regard to EGT gauge, my VDO was playing up a couple of months ago. Mine was just dropping away rapidly but not spiking up to say 900. Turned out to be the spade connectors on the back of gauge. I closed them a little with pliers, reconnected and my problem fixed. These pyro probe wires are to remain as an individual pair and only connected to the EGT gauge.

With regard to soldering all other gauge earth wires to a common earth terminal point then a single wire to good earth is fine.
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