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There is always the Suzuki Jimny.

Live axles, cheap to run and very reliable.

A real shame their driveline isnt as durable as the old SJ.
I would love to get hold of an old Suzi as a project vehicle, one of those things I've been promising myself but never got around to. Even an old Lada would make a good project.
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You canít really knock Toyotaís engines. Compare apples with apples. The stock intercooled turbo diesel offerings from Nissan, whether they be the TD42TI or the 3.0L Di or CRD models are just as if not more under powered than any of the stock Toyota offerings. Sure, you can make them go better, you can get 200 rear wheel killer wasps out of a TD42 but itís going to cost you 12 grand to do it. With the Toyota 70 series, spend a few grand on a remap, an exhaust and some induction and your going to well surpass 200kw. Spend 12k on the Yota and your going to have a very big grin on your face. A bloke I work with spent just over 3.5 k (including an upgraded clutch) on his dual cab and his dyno print out shows 225 rear wheel kilowatts. Yes they are grossly overpriced, and in many ways inferior to the Patrol, but as far as their power plants go, way better in my opinion.
Yea mate I'm pretty sure it would be 225hp for spending 3.5k including a clutch.
To break 200wrkw reliably, you need to be spending a tad more than double that.

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Just doing a bit of a search about, I am a bit concerned as to why gumtree has so many VDJ engines only for sale and i would consider cheap as low as $3K. Thats not a good look and why would there be so many Would there be that many parted out toyotas or are they removed for another engine ??
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Probably can't afford to replace the injectors Peter lol
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Probably can't afford to replace the injectors Peter lol
lol yeah i was told you need a personal loan to replace them.
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Just doing a bit of a search about, I am a bit concerned as to why gumtree has so many VDJ engines only for sale and i would consider cheap as low as $3K. Thats not a good look and why would there be so many Would there be that many parted out toyotas or are they removed for another engine ??
Just had a look myself, damn, your right, heaps of them some with reasonably low K's, wonder what they are being replaced with and why? Saw a few with injector issues.
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I would love to get hold of an old Suzi as a project vehicle, one of those things I've been promising myself but never got around to. Even an old Lada would make a good project.
Hopefully this year I am back behind the wheel of my Zuk for some 4x4ing - I say do it. Even better if you can find the LWB version - they climb better (I've had both)

If you get a 1 litre or older (LJ series) there is no after market and parts are getting rare. This is fine if you just want a resto. But for 4x4ing for ease of finding parts and mods the 1.3 litre is the one to buy.

You are in Queensland and there is a lot of active members from our forum over there. As a whole I find the Zuk guys helpful and the quality of info god, but seem cliquey lately and not as friendly as here. I've been a member since '13 there and still dont feel part of the group (I do Rig of the Month too).

I had simply an auto locker, crawler gears and 30" muds and it was ridiculously good at slow techo stuff and mud.

Transfer gearing that does low and high is approx $800

A set of 31-33's

Body lift and guard cutting 2-300

Auto locker in the back 250 (I got mine for 200 new and put it in myself)

Done.

Later when the bug bites harder run a 1.6 EFI and auto... then soon all the panels will be dented and you need to part it
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I know a place where there a a few Stockman sitting around. Western area, mostly soft tops, don't know what's wrong with them. Used to be used for mustering.
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@Marko_SJ I know this has ventured off topic a bit but we have a members non partol rig section.
I saw this section for exactly your Zuk project. Care to do a thread in there pic's advice you know the stuff. i am interested and i am sure it will be of interest to many.
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Guys the proper pos vdj puts the pos zd to shame in the failure rates.
There’s no sugar coating the rebuild either. 20k plus.
And there’s is a reason toyo secretly dropped the long motor price from 22k ish to 12ish.
Nothing like paying premium price for a non premium heapa.
The fte is the vdj is not.
Just a crap motor period.
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@marko SJ, I know this has ventured off topic a bit but we have a members non partol rig section.
I saw this section for exactly your Zuk project. Care to do a thread in there pic's advice you know the stuff. i am interested and i am sure it will be of interest to many.
Thanks, I could get back to toyota bashing if that's more on point with this thread

I am happy to help answer questions that anyone might have in regards to Suzukis. You can build one with everything for under 10K. However, I feel mine is not worth a thread here as it's just a stock car with a set of gears and tires. Maybe later I can do one with my patrol and other assorted junk.

Edit: Also, @1MrRocky is another Patrol4x4 member that has Zooks. His vehicles are more modified than mine.

Back to Toymota. Those damn things have made me walk 3 times!
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why not?
a 4.8 is quicker i think you will find.
200 desals are crap.

you will also find that a chipped/tuned/exhausted zdj 200 is slower down the 1/4 than a bog stock 62.
OK, lets not get carried away, ill leave the reckless 4.8 comment alone haha...

WITHOUT chip, std turbos, std airbox, no snorkel, std intercooler, cats, mufflers, EGR all functional etc, a diesel 200 is good for 180kw at the wheels.

Which is the same KW as a y62.
y62 WITH a unichip, makes about 216kw according to unichip themselves. HWNIS97Q - NISSAN PATROL V8 2016 - PRESENT - Unichip, plug and play, Unichip Q4 more then a chip, a complete E.C.U (Engine control Unit) for your Late model turbo diesel.

Except, .......... the diesel 200 makes DOUBLE the torque of the y62 even with the unichip. not 10% more, not 20%.... DOUBLE. -again according to unichip

this is a 400hp y62 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOCJ6ertCJg
this is a 190kw (at the wheels) diesel. https://youtu.be/xA9YK8SUdGs?t=53s

In the above 2 videos you see what the difference torque makes. about the same power, and coincidentally similar to the pretty standard lc200 diesel... about the same 0-100. but after that.....

GSL are getting very close to a 9 sec pass unopened vdj cruiser
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You can all the torque in the world but power is what accelerates you. You could gear my pushbike down to have 900NM but the power on 1hp stays the same.

I very much doubt the 200 series has 180RWKW. A quick youtube and it seems a lot less.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prOHkoSn5uA

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OK, lets not get carried away, ill leave the reckless 4.8 comment alone haha...

WITHOUT chip, std turbos, std airbox, no snorkel, std intercooler, cats, mufflers, EGR all functional etc, a diesel 200 is good for 180kw at the wheels.

Which is the same KW as a y62.
y62 WITH a unichip, makes about 216kw according to unichip themselves. HWNIS97Q - NISSAN PATROL V8 2016 - PRESENT - Unichip, plug and play, Unichip Q4 more then a chip, a complete E.C.U (Engine control Unit) for your Late model turbo diesel.

Except, .......... the diesel 200 makes DOUBLE the torque of the y62 even with the unichip. not 10% more, not 20%.... DOUBLE. -again according to unichip

this is a 400hp y62 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOCJ6ertCJg
this is a 190kw (at the wheels) diesel. https://youtu.be/xA9YK8SUdGs?t=53s

In the above 2 videos you see what the difference torque makes. about the same power, and coincidentally similar to the pretty standard lc200 diesel... about the same 0-100. but after that.....

GSL are getting very close to a 9 sec pass unopened vdj cruiser
i expected better from you jacket to be honest.
maybe do some research before making silly comparisons...lol


as i said a STOCK 62 beats a chipped tuned egr delete exhausted intakes intercoolered snorkled 31' rubber lock up kit 200 diesel down the 1/4.
the 62 tows better as it has a better box, **** the 62 does everything better.lol
all that torque you guys ramble about is good for sfa when it falls off a cliff at 2k let alone falling power early.
the 200 is crap and overpriced. but hey, its a v8 diesel and has a useless live axel rear with a crap 4wd system.
every blind mans dreams...hahaha

as for that gsl bucket of crap that ran a 10, it blew on the next run.
and you do know there wasnt anything left toyo on that..lol

come onnnnn matteeeee. and since you like graph figures i think you will find a stock 200 to be 130kw at the wheels....180....hahahahahahaa toyo got you good.lol


edit- and dont me wrong im not all about going 'fast' everywhere, its just nice to have a rig that can and still return sub 12 on the freeway and 18 town and the same towing eco as the slow pos 200 but actually pull up hills while the old sods cant and then proceed to sit on 90 cos they are worried about fuel use..haha
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I do believe the 200 and 79 series produce pretty much the same power and torque at the wheels in std form some 96 rwkw and 340ish Nm for the 79 and 96 awkw for the 200, undo the front shaft and i am told it jumps up to 130 rwkw for the 200 series.
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i expected better from you jacket to be honest.
maybe do some research before making silly comparisons...lol


as i said a STOCK 62 beats a chipped tuned egr delete exhausted intakes intercoolered snorkled 31' rubber lock up kit 200 diesel down the 1/4.
the 62 tows better as it has a better box, **** the 62 does everything better.lol
all that torque you guys ramble about is good for sfa when it falls off a cliff at 2k let alone falling power early.
the 200 is crap and overpriced. but hey, its a v8 diesel and has a useless live axel rear with a crap 4wd system.
every blind mans dreams...hahaha

as for that gsl bucket of crap that ran a 10, it blew on the next run.
and you do know there wasnt anything left toyo on that..lol

come onnnnn matteeeee. and since you like graph figures i think you will find a stock 200 to be 130kw at the wheels....180....hahahahahahaa toyo got you good.lol
Tune only, no chips. 170-180rwkw is the norm on 33's.
iv had more patrols than most. I could buy a y62 if i wanted one. i may one day, but not anytime soon.

If anything, ME, going to a cruiser after ~25 patrols is exactly the opposite of one eye'd.... iv bought the exact opposite of a one eyed choice... i chose diesel over brand.

AND before anyone whinges, iv had a swathe of petrol v8's. i know exactly what a petrol v8 is and how it moves weight. AND how much fuel they use.

Iv driven a few y62's, including when we recently updated family bus.
stock vs stock y62 is quicker. no question. stock vs stock both tuned.... much closer.
and you say fuel economy is comparable? dreaming.... DREAMING son. i reckon i could get 8's over a tank. normally 10.5ish, blokes on the 200 forums getting 7.1's from late models.
performance is way closer than fuel consumption between the 2.

the one valid point you raise is the box.... its junk. but thats autos. ALL autos. iv NEVER driven an auto that i thought was even close to reasonable.

toyota have historically made stronger engines than nissan. thats a fact.
the FTV is inherently vulnerable to bad fuel and emissions junk like all modern diesel. but no real other issues(turbo actuators ok). unlike the zd30 which has a plethora. comparing those 2 isnt even in the same league of unreliable.

nothing personal, iv just driven a few of both. owned plenty of research veichles to know what im getting. coincidentally made the same choice as 1000 other people do in Australia every month, some of which who have a lot more money and experience than either of us. vs the handfull of people who pick the y62 despite the mammoth difference in purchase price.
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Well I might put a 453 gm in my patrol if 8m going to go slow I want to sound cool and blow oil everywhere and kill spiders in the shed on startup
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Tune only, no chips. 170-180rwkw is the norm on 33's.
iv had more patrols than most. I could buy a y62 if i wanted one. i may one day, but not anytime soon.

If anything, ME, going to a cruiser after ~25 patrols is exactly the opposite of one eye'd.... iv bought the exact opposite of a one eyed choice... i chose diesel over brand.

AND before anyone whinges, iv had a swathe of petrol v8's. i know exactly what a petrol v8 is and how it moves weight. AND how much fuel they use.

Iv driven a few y62's, including when we recently updated family bus.
stock vs stock y62 is quicker. no question. stock vs stock both tuned.... much closer.
and you say fuel economy is comparable? dreaming.... DREAMING son. i reckon i could get 8's over a tank. normally 10.5ish, blokes on the 200 forums getting 7.1's from late models.
performance is way closer than fuel consumption between the 2.

the one valid point you raise is the box.... its junk. but thats autos. ALL autos. iv NEVER driven an auto that i thought was even close to reasonable.

toyota have historically made stronger engines than nissan. thats a fact.
the FTV is inherently vulnerable to bad fuel and emissions junk like all modern diesel. but no real other issues(turbo actuators ok). unlike the zd30 which has a plethora. comparing those 2 isnt even in the same league of unreliable.

nothing personal, iv just driven a few of both. owned plenty of research veichles to know what im getting. coincidentally made the same choice as 1000 other people do in Australia every month, some of which who have a lot more money and experience than either of us. vs the handfull of people who pick the y62 despite the mammoth difference in purchase price.


hahaha
crsuier forums...
what with ritchard dill ,stuart pornmaster and clint ritchardson..
that dill unit reckoned he got 15lph towing 3.5t round the burbs...lol

the premium you guys pay for **** somehow makes a need to bs to keep your pride in tact.
why spend 15-20k plus over a 62 then have to spend another 10-15k on mods to make it go still not as good and your worried over $20 a week in fuel...toyo logic right there.
sadly you fell into the trap of 'its a v8 diesel and think they go good'...haha

hahahah 7's from the latest model? is that before or after the dpf and inj crap em selves at 10k?. 7-8's.... lol or is that from old nole doing 80km/h in a 110 zone with a tale wind on 31' roller skates.?

i think you will find the vk isnt like a normal v8 petty re performance and fuel eco. something that has really suprised us owners and made the toyo boys a little un easy and then find the need to further bs about eco.
i seriously dont knoiw a single 62 owner who gives a crap about fuel, they just drive, yet every toyo owners first question while camping or what ever is how thirsty are they...haha

jacket, mate the zdj is worse than a zd. failures are extremely common sub 150k.
but again owners hide the fact to save pride, thinking they own a status symbol or something. lol if it was easy to upload pics on here i could flood you with crap.
and our good friend wade(chopped) makes a living on rebuilding them. you will also find that everytime a post is put up on fb it gets taken down.. also a while ago the pornmaster put up a poll on who has replaced their engine, everyone who said yes got deleted..lol

i also dont know anyone that has gone from a 62 to a 200 but know a heap that went the other way, oh and they 'have' money but actually did some research and picked the better rig and enjoy the drive.

as for gearbox, the toyo is a 4/10 even with lock up, id rate the 62 at 7/10, and with a unichip an 8/10. ratios are a little funky but they do the job.
do date after 50k ours has an ave of 15.6lph or something. thats the misses daily bus, wknd rig, tow rig(2t), beach rig. surely going off the caravan mags and 4x4 action it should be 30+/100
drive the 62 like a diesel and get diesel eco, drive like an f wit and get f wit eco.
the sad thing is even driving the crusier hard is still slow and you are only going to burn so much fuel, chip and tune that and bam, your level and over what a 62 uses for still less performance.

anyway perhaps i made the wrong choice, toyo sales in oz are booming so it mean they must be the best ever, cos you know, diesel and crd.
just dont look at just about any overseas sales data
the rest of the world has brains.
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