Australia Day

geeyoutoo · 2019-01-25

Hope you all have a great Australia Day and celebrate it as best you can with family and friends, this is our very own personalised day, not borrowed from some other country. If your out driving, drive safely and if your out drinking let someone else do the driving, we want you back here in good shape on Tuesday ;). :punkrock::iconbana::bananaro::bananada::driving:

62woollybugger

· #81 · 4 mo ago

I read an article a while back that said there is good evidence that there were 3 separate groups of humans that migrated from Asia to Australia, with the 2nd & 3rd waves displacing the preceding ones. This makes the 1st nations thing BS, because the aboriginals that we're here when Europeans arrived were the 3rd nation. Apparently it's not spoken about much because it doesn't fit the "correct" political agenda.

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dkril

· #82 · 4 mo ago

There's some ancient paintings in the north west (I think WA, but could be in the NT) that are unlike anything else. Local aboriginal groups say, "not ours". Testing has shown them to be the oldest in the area by a several thousand years.

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geeyoutoo

Discussion Starter · #83 · 4 mo ago

dkril said:
There's some ancient paintings in the north west (I think WA, but could be in the NT) that are unlike anything else. Local aboriginal groups say, "not ours". Testing has shown them to be the oldest in the area by a several thousand years.

Yes I had read of those years ago, they are known as Bradshaws, there is apparently no info from the local aboriginal communities on their origin, I saw a couple in upper WA back in the 90's.

There is a lot of conflicting info on the earlier civilisations. Some studies say 3, some say 2, some say none. Mungo man, from 42,000 years ago, has been accepted as an early aboriginal, but there are unconfirmed reports that Mungo man isn't of aboriginal descent at all.

I reckon there is more effort going into proving he is than not.

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Haggie

· #84 · 4 mo ago

AndrieK said:
See now this is where I have to disagree…

I think there was a stat a few years ago that something like more than half the AUS population had at least one parent that was NOT born in AUS. I’ve been here 10 years which some would consider still fresh off the boat. I know the significance of the date but to me personally, that’s not what AUS day is about.

To me it’s about celebrating being Australian and everything this great country has given me and has to offer. I don’t care what the date is, as long as you give me a day to celebrate that. And I think a big part of the recently immigrated population, which is a very large chunk of the total AUS population, would agree with me on this.

If the date is so divisive (which from the poles, it’s clearly not) just pick another friggin’ date and let’s move on! Just don’t take my public holiday away.

To me it’s fairly simple… Ole Albo wants to give indigenous Australians a voice in parliament (no idea what that means really), so start by asking them what day they would like to choose TO CELEBRATE EVERYTHING THAT IS GOOD ABOUT THIS LAND. Let them choose a date and just go with that.

I am a 24 hour a day, seven day a week, 365 day a year Australian.

My mother was born OS. My wife and my brothers partner also.

Australia day has only become a public holiday in every state and territory since 1994.

Most other countries celebrate a national day on the date they become independent. Interesting that Thailand to my knowledge was never colonised.

The above is my point of view, made possible as it is one of the freedoms that being Australian allows and should be celebrated.

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rgren2

· #85 · 4 mo ago

geeyoutoo said:
Mungo man, from 42,000 years ago, has been accepted as an early aboriginal, but there are unconfirmed reports that Mungo man isn't of aboriginal descent at all.

The remains were taken before full comprehensive studies could be made. They were ‘buried’ at a secret location by some elders. There were studies that were indications that the remains were not totally similar to the current inhabitants.

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geeyoutoo

Discussion Starter · #86 · 4 mo ago

rgren2 said:
The remains were taken before full comprehensive studies could be made. They were ‘buried’ at a secret location by some elders. There were studies that were indications that the remains were not totally similar to the current inhabitants.

I know, have read just about everthing, if not all, there was on it. There were many unhappy people on both sides of the equation when the burial happened.
You would know better than most that societies without written language rely on stories being passed down from generation to generation. With the individual 'societies' here being relatively small, there were many versions of similar origins that would have become embellished by people and time.
Not sure how it worked here in Oz but in PNG there are somewhere around 800 native languages among 6,000,000 people. There is a pigin word used to describe a good mate, Wontok, I have many Wontoks up there. The origin of the word was for people marrying into other villages where they spoke different languages but over time became Wontoks (onetalk) as the languages merged.

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Oscar and Leone

· #87 · 4 mo ago

AndrieK said:
See now this is where I have to disagree…

I think there was a stat a few years ago that something like more than half the AUS population had at least one parent that was NOT born in AUS. I’ve been here 10 years which some would consider still fresh off the boat. I know the significance of the date but to me personally, that’s not what AUS day is about.

To me it’s about celebrating being Australian and everything this great country has given me and has to offer. I don’t care what the date is, as long as you give me a day to celebrate that. And I think a big part of the recently immigrated population, which is a very large chunk of the total AUS population, would agree with me on this.

If the date is so divisive (which from the poles, it’s clearly not) just pick another friggin’ date and let’s move on! Just don’t take my public holiday away.

To me it’s fairly simple… Ole Albo wants to give indigenous Australians a voice in parliament (no idea what that means really), so start by asking them what day they would like to choose TO CELEBRATE EVERYTHING THAT IS GOOD ABOUT THIS LAND. Let them choose a date and just go with that.

It doesn't matter what date you choose to celebrate Aus day & I would celebrate with you in a heart beat if it's Aus day 3% of the population will call it invasion day and want it banned Watching the afternoon news on 7 (yes I know I shouldn't) the banner the people were carrying was asking to vote no to the voice They will get my vote
I do not see where this is going to end & that is scary

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grumpyone

· #88 · 4 mo ago

mikecooper422 said:
Ive said before imagine the chinese getting here first. it would have been canibal vs canibal and our first nations people would have been vastly outnumbered.

Don't try saying this to an "invasion day" perpetuator though in debate about the so called issues we have today surrounding history.

His - story is just that, written by the winners and agenda pushers.

Our first nations radicalist type refuse to accept the white man settlers as a part of their story and that of the enemy, because its easier to push a political agenda that way. (IMO)

If the Maori had navigated a few degrees to starbd,they would have arrived and eaten their way across country.

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rgren2

· #89 · 4 mo ago

grumpyone said:
If the Maori had navigated a few degrees to starbd,they would have arrived and eaten their way across country.

Aren’t they doing it now? 🤔🤣

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Overboard

· #90 · 4 mo ago

Haggie said:
Most other countries celebrate a national day on the date they become independent.

The day they became independent or became unified. IMO the only justifiable date for Australia Day is Federation Day, the 1st of January. It is the day Australia became a nation. Nothing else stacks up. The only problem with that is that the day is already taken by New Year's Day. Even so, nothing else stacks up.

Not much point in changing it though because those that want to complain will just find something else to complain about. It will settle nothing.

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Foo

· #91 · 4 mo ago (Edited)

Overboard said:
The day they became independent or became unified. IMO the only justifiable date for Australia Day is Federation Day, the 1st of January. It is the day Australia became a nation. Nothing else stacks up. The only problem with that is that the day is already taken by New Year's Day. Even so, nothing else stacks up.

Not much point in changing it though because those that want to complain will just find something else to complain about. It will settle nothing.

Money talks but that won't be enough of that, for the WOKE mob to shut the fork up.

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· #92 · 4 mo ago

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Oscar and Leone

· #93 · 4 mo ago

I thought of something after my last post here
Can you imagine if the North American Indians (indigenous peoples ) wanted to change the date of US independence day 4th July They would be laughed at & although not quite human the Yanks must look at us with what's going on here & pi$$ themselves laughing

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· #94 · 4 mo ago

Oscar and Leone said:
I thought of something after my last post here
Can you imagine if the North American Indians (indigenous peoples ) wanted to change the date of US independence day 4th July They would be laughed at & although not quite human the Yanks must look at us with what's going on here & pi$$ themselves laughing

100%..
They dont deserve anything..
Look at the way they are carrying on in the NT atm..
But it's always someone elses fault woe is me and to hear about the number of their children with std's..
What a bunch of grub's.

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45/70

· #95 · 4 mo ago

They do more damage to themselves than anyone else could ever do.

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Marko_SJ

· #96 · 4 mo ago

AndrieK said:
I lived in South Africa for the first 34 years of my life. I’ve seen this “your white ancestors came and took my land away now you must give it back” movie before and I know how it ends. The trailer for this move is playing out in Alice Springs right now. It’s called Effin Chaos.

Absolute pandemonium and people moving out in droves for the crime. If it wasnt for that I'd consider living in Alice or Katherine for a while. A lot of people saying the govt has let it go (and I'd agree, I cannot stand the current mob or our previous chief minister in particular... he was an embarassment in Covid and with the Yuendumu stuff) but not sure how new laws will bring the totally lawless back into line.

Lots of other "litle slices of heaven" up here too where you are more likely to be stabbed or a woma raped than inner city Chicago. As a born and bred territorian, family in Darwin since the 50s, I dont think I'll be retiring here. Maybe dream of freehold a long way from any of the "crime capitals".

Too much rort, too much violence and too much tall poppy, honestly I feel the place is full of arseholes. Not just the onces referenced here in this thread (3% average 20 percent of the territory).

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Natal Shark Y61 Fan

· #97 · 4 mo ago

Heavensent said:
I dont think its an easy yes or no answer, but i do beleive it is possible to keep the date, but add to it to respect our history.

We dont have to agree with how our history was played out,but we can use it to learn from amd remember the past for what it was.

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Australia Day is nothing to do with the first fleet arriving or anything like it, it’s about Australian Citizenship coming into being on that date in 1949 with the promulgation of the Australian Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948. So nothing to do with the Invasion, as usual media propaganda and BS.

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DB-101

· #98 · 4 mo ago (Edited)

Natal Shark Y61 Fan said:
Australia Day is nothing to do with the first fleet arriving or anything like it, it’s about Australian Citizenship coming into being on that date in 1949 with the promulgation of the Australian Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948. So nothing to do with the Invasion, as usual media propaganda and BS.

You are incorrect.

January 26 1788 is the day Sir Arthur Phillip raised the British flag at Warrane (Sydney Cove) to claim the land as a British Colony. Some aboriginals see this day as the beginning of a long and brutal colonisation of people and land.

Simply put, the date of 26 January 1788 marks the proclamation of British sovereignty over the eastern seaboard of Australia.

Records of celebrations on 26 January date back to 1808, with the first official celebration of the formation of New South Wales held in 1818.

It was not until 1935 that all Australian states and territories adopted use of the term "Australia Day" to mark the date of the 1788 landing of the First Fleet at Sydney Cove, and not until 1994 that 26 January was consistently marked by a public holiday on that day by all states and territories.

Historically, the date was also variously named Anniversary Day, Foundation Day and ANA Day.

Quote from Professor Helen Irving, a constitutional law expert from the University of Sydney;
“The first boat of the First Fleet landed at Botany Bay on 18 January, 1788, but the Fleet then moved to Port Jackson (what became Sydney), where on 26 January 1788, the British flag was raised.”

Prof Irving states that Australia Day was already celebrated on January 26 before 1948.

“The date was not chosen to celebrate the proclamation of the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948,” she said.

“Rather, the 26th of January was chosen as the date of the proclamation of the Act because it was already celebrated as Australia Day.”

A parliamentary research paper by Margaret Harrrison-Smith notes that Tasmania celebrated “Foundation Day” on January 26 from 1888. Victoria and Western Australia also celebrated the date in the early 1900’s and in 1930 the Australian Natives’ Association suggested an annual “Australia Day” celebration.

A year later in 1931 Victoria first adopted the name ‘Australia Day’ and since 1946, January 26 “has been recognised throughout Australia as Australia Day and a public holiday taken on or around that date.

In September 1948, then immigration minister Arthur Calwell told federal parliament that when the Nationality and Citizenship Act became law “it will be proclaimed on Australia Day, the 26th of January, 1949”.

Therefore; January 26, 1949 was not chosen as Australia Day to mark the enactment of the Nationality and Citizenship Act, rather the date of January 26 was chosen for the new laws to take effect because it already had significance as a day of national celebration.

So, media propaganda and BS? Nope, usual conspiracy sovereign citizen BS to argue that it is not...

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