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Border Track - Open dates etc.

So whats the go with it these days?? I know its only open 4-5 mths a year, but is that going to change anytime in the next eon? Its closed for the majority of Long weekends for other states - or is that why they do it?


... the Border Track will be closed from the 1st of November till the 31st of March each year. Just called them and this is a permanent thing now on these dates.

But they are closed for Melb cup long weekend, xmas, Aussie Day, Labour Day. nice way to say to tourists **** off and stay away..


Border Track Closure ???? @ ExplorOz Forum
The reason for the long Closure is "The reason is that the local Ranger is the head of fire control and does not want any people in the Park in case there is a fire."
Hope Parks Vic dont hear about that idea...

Going off this regularly updated page FWDSA | NGARKAT CONSERVATION PARK BORDER TRACK MAINTENANCE COMMITTEE and the latest edition of the newsletter 4WD Matters Ngarkat Ngews June 2008, any recent news.. I know SA are a little behind - its 2010 here in Vic..

What about the working bees? Is that limited to SA clubs? Theres a good write up on the 2009 one.. Maybe if some Vic clubs got involved too it could help open it for a few more months a year??

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Here's one of the responses to your exploroz link Truckster....

This is probably not that much different from most other parks John.

Ngarkat is one of the few parks that does NOT require a day pass. Camping only I think...


I guess I've been lucky or just didn't see the pay booths in most of the ones I've been to :rolleyes:
 

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Righto, obviously he just missed of the 'south Australia' bit before the word 'parks' ;)
 

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So is there going to be a day when the track is open for any decent parts of the year?
 

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Unless it's changed very recently, you can still do the majority of the Border Track all year round. There is a section at the beginning (Pinaroo end) that gets closed off between the dates mentioned. As you drive in, you see all this signs that say the BT is closed etc. The Centre Track is still open and takes you past the closed section before joining up with the Border Track later on. IMHO, don't bother with that section anyway, its pretty boring. Drive into the BT via Mt Shaugh Track or Red Bluff Track and do the track from there through to Bordertown. If you can find it, the section between Bordertown and Frances can be quite entertaining as well (esp after rain).
 

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Unless it's changed very recently, you can still do the majority of the Border Track all year round. There is a section at the beginning (Pinaroo end) that gets closed off between the dates mentioned. As you drive in, you see all this signs that say the BT is closed etc. The Centre Track is still open and takes you past the closed section before joining up with the Border Track later on. IMHO, don't bother with that section anyway, its pretty boring. Drive into the BT via Mt Shaugh Track or Red Bluff Track and do the track from there through to Bordertown. If you can find it, the section between Bordertown and Frances can be quite entertaining as well (esp after rain).
Kewl thanks for the info. Will probably do it since it will be a long easter next year with some pink lakes, and thru the north first. :cool:

The bit that loses me is they discuss the "one way section" I thought that was the very south (the interesting) part? Am I wrong?
The top section near the Shearers 1/4's is 2 way aint it and boring as bat****!

“If a bushfire started in the park, people on the one-way section of the track, which is about 30 kilometres long and has no exit points, would not be able to promptly leave the area,” she said.

“The one-way section of the Border Track will be reopened at the end of the fire danger season, which is expected to conclude on 15 April 2008.

“The two-way section of the Border Track, which can be accessed by travelling on the Centre Track, will remain open during the fire danger season,” Donna said.


Since easter is 5 days next year, thoughts so far are head up to Donald for the first night, or if time is ok, head to Ouyen see what time it is then - either head to the annual club Hattah camp for that night, then into the lake the next day, or if we are doing ok, head in and camp at the pink lake..
Then head down the border track, Redbluff was discussed as a camp, but again, take it as it comes along there :)

will depend on the weather http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/258361-post33.html their tents ended up that wet, they felt airtight when they woke up...
 

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The Centre Track is still open and takes you past the closed section before joining up with the Border Track later on. IMHO, don't bother with that section anyway, its pretty boring.
I disagree with you there, this was the ONLY bit of track that had anything interesting in it. IIRC its the section with the majority of the dunes.
 

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Kewl thanks for the info. Will probably do it since it will be a long easter next year with some pink lakes, and thru the north first. :cool:

The bit that loses me is they discuss the "one way section" I thought that was the very south (the interesting) part? Am I wrong?
The top section near the Shearers 1/4's is 2 way aint it and boring as bat****!

“If a bushfire started in the park, people on the one-way section of the track, which is about 30 kilometres long and has no exit points, would not be able to promptly leave the area,” she said.

“The one-way section of the Border Track will be reopened at the end of the fire danger season, which is expected to conclude on 15 April 2008.

“The two-way section of the Border Track, which can be accessed by travelling on the Centre Track, will remain open during the fire danger season,” Donna said.
The one way section is north to south only and starts where the track from Pine Hut Soak joins the Border Track at Scorpion Springs, and ends 28kms down the track where the Centre Track joins up. From there on it's 2 way traffic which is the 'south' part.

I disagree with you there, this was the ONLY bit of track that had anything interesting in it. IIRC its the section with the majority of the dunes.
The one way section has a couple of reasonably challenging dunes near the end of it otherwise to me it's 30kms of annoying sand corrugations and woopty do's and easy dunes. If anyone finds the easy dunes hard going their tyres have too much pressure and is half the reason the track is so corrugated.

4WDSA clubs are trying to convince the DEH to allow reverse direction one way traffic every two years on the one way section. That would make it a pretty interesting drive and might help flatten out the annoying wooptys.

There's a good dune on the track south of Red Bluff camp, it's at the south west corner of Big Desert and it's southern boundary fire break track.
The dune has a couple of challenging tracks up each side of it.
About 500mts further on from this dune is where the twisty clay rut sections start but many people miss them because there is another track running almost alongside on the right.
The ruts are easy peasy in the dry and range from fun and challenging in the wet, to some that are impassable after heavy rains but there are chicken tracks too. At Emu Flat Rd keep heading straight on for about 5 kms then head west (right) at the end on a sandy track. This is Pine Hill North Rd and has about a 1km section of ruts which is hell fun in the wet. It turns back into a dirt road eventually, then bitumen and ends up at the Dukes Hwy just east of Bordertown.

From Bordertown head to Serviceton then head south past the footy club, turn right (west) at the T junction at the end then left (south) you're on the Border Track again. Heading south it takes you to the north west gate entrance of Little Desert and you can go down the Border Track through Little Desert to Frances (pub). Heeeps of mud and ruts in LD during wet seasons.
About 25kms south west of Frances is Black C o c k atoo Bush Camp and 4 Wheel Driving. The old yabby farm dams have been turned into a very challenging 4WD course with steep mounds, holes, moguls, rocks, you name it.
 

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The one way section has a couple of reasonably challenging dunes near the end of it
Yeh the only interesting part of the track, not difficult but its at least something. The rest is boring especially the lower end full of red neck bog holes:rolleyes:
 

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So why do they advertise the track as closed for 80% of the year, if its only the center part?? Doesnt make sense.
 

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Yeh the only interesting part of the track, not difficult but its at least something. The rest is boring especially the lower end full of red neck bog holes:rolleyes:
The army started all those bogholes years and years ago on training exercises. Most of the big deep long ones are filled in now but still plenty left for us ********.
 

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So why do they advertise the track as closed for 80% of the year, if its only the center part?? Doesnt make sense.
80% ???
The one way bit is only closed for 5 months of the year. Nov-April.

It's only the track section from Scorpion Springs to the south west boundary of Big Desert that is under Vic Parks and SA Parks jurisdiction (mainly SA) so they only see that section as the Border Track and promote that only.
The rest of the track from there to the highway still the original Border track and is crown land, and jointly managed by our local council and to a lesser degree the West Wimmera Shire Council, as they do with local roads.
There's not much to manage though, it's 4wd only track but not a designated fire access track either as fire trucks would struggle to get through the narrow sections with low branches, even on their bomber tyres. They'd just shoot up either side of the fence in the farm paddocks if they had to.

Enjoy it for what it is, a piece of Aussie history and a top little drive.

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80%? The one way bit is only closed for 5 months of the year. Nov-April.
80% of the warm good wheeling season :p


It's only the track section from Scorpion Springs to the south west boundary of Big Desert that is under Vic Parks and SA Parks jurisdiction (mainly SA) so they only see that section as the Border Track and promote that only.


The rest of the track from there to the highway still the original Border track and is crown land, and jointly managed by our local council and to a lesser degree the West Wimmera Shire Council, as they do with local roads.


There's not much to manage though, it's 4wd only track but not a designated fire access track either as fire trucks would struggle to get through the narrow sections with low branches, even on their bomber tyres. They'd just shoot up either side of the fence in the farm paddocks if they had to.

Enjoy it for what it is, a piece of Aussie history and a top little drive.

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shall see what happens :)
 

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We just did the trip for 7 days over cup week and its still worth the drive , couldnt do the closed section but there is more to the area than just border track . I have a half finished trip report on 4wd action site ( Vic / SA dert trip ) . Would be a finished trip report if my browser and 4wd action played nice together :mad:.

If i were you i would still do the trip but be aware that some track names are different to Hema maps as well as the maps you can get from SA parks . Some tracks have also turned to MVO tracks . There are sill some tracks that pose a huge challenge ( Big Dune Track/Lookout ) Got about 2/3rds up ......:cool:
 

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I've done the north end a few times... even down to .. Umm somewhere we ended up across the border lookin for shelter from the rain.. all there was was a weighbridge!

Just havent done the south end... Gettin interesting.
 

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We just did the trip for 7 days over cup week and its still worth the drive , couldnt do the closed section but there is more to the area than just border track .
X2. But the southern section of the Border Track from Red Bluff to Frances (through Little Desert) is still well worth it for anyone who hasn't done it, even in the dry.
 

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What ya doing round easter suds?
 

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What ya doing round easter suds?
Hopefully taking it easy and seeing some part of the country we haven't seen yet.
Forget what I said about not doing the Border Track and Little Desert this time of year.
There is more water and mud around now on the tracks than there has been in past winters! And it's not hot either.

What about the working bees? Is that limited to SA clubs? Theres a good write up on the 2009 one.. Maybe if some Vic clubs got involved too it could help open it for a few more months a year??

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No it's open to any club. Ours went this year and there was about 60 people all up and usually some from western Vic clubs get involved. We only concentrate on the one way section and other tracks in the group of parks itself as most of the Border Track is on crown land. 2 Working bees per year.
The one way section would only stay open all year if it was a 2 way track, which could very easily be done eg; re open the chicken tracks around the dunes and crests for traffic coming the other way.
The DEH and rangers dont think it's a good idea but we're working on it. ;)
The couple from an Adelaide club who have organised the working bee's for the last few years have indicated they want someone else to take over that side of it. Our club is thinking about it but we'd change the weekends of the working bees to non long weekends if we did.
 
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