I wouldn't touch either of those. The 12,000lb one looks scarly small, i wouldn't trust it and the 9,500lb one is over priced, I would rather get a Tigerz11, Ironman, Tmax, etc for the same price or cheaper.
if your going to buy a cheap winch, why not just buy the super cheap one thats on special at the moment, at least then you got somewhere to take it back to WHEN its craps it self
spend the money and get a tigers 12,000lb single speed or ironman one
Gotta Supa crap one myself and works a treat!!! $349.00 I'll certainly take that. Cash left over for other goodies now. Got bogged to the side steps on small incline and winch me out just fine. Short bursts and off we goooooooooooooo....! And if it ****s it self I just take it back to Supa crap. And if I'm stuck up woop woop, I wouldn't be by myself anyway... Always go two up
i dont see what price has to do with reliability ( to an extent), i have seen plenty of people complaining about their (insert well known brand) winch when it has failed , so from what i have seen , it seems the good brands fail as much as the no name brands