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Bloody hell, just listening to US news talking about the massive fires they are experiencing, in answer to a question a fire chief stated that last year 70% of all fires in Oregan were caused by humans.
 

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I have always favoured the Libs on the path towards emission's control and reduction by innovation and business driven development ,over the labor approach of taxing people to achieve desired results (most of Dullards' carbon tax would have gone overseas buying carbon credits, the rest was to go back to the "battler" voter base in a vain attempt to keep them in power).

This stance drew a lot of criticism and derision from those lefty latte sucking numbnuts I know. Apparently I'm the sort of dinosaur that needs to be extinct. Total govt control, carbon taxes and economy draining mandates were the only way to go ...

And that looked like it was going to happen under Turdbull (yeh, nah, he would have been rolled over any attempt to make it so anyway).

Morrison stated this earlier this year.

"We are going to meet our ambitions with the smartest minds, the best technology and the animal spirits of our business community," he told the Business Council on Monday night, spruiking gas and hydrogen.

"We're not going to achieve net zero in the cafes, dinner parties and wine bars of our inner cities.

"It will be won in places like the Pilbara, the Hunter, Gladstone, Portland, Whyalla, Bell Bay, the Riverina. In the factories of our regional towns and outer suburbs."

Low and behold, who would have thunk it ...

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Australia’s $2.1 trillion future with 672,000 jobs and net zero emissions.

"Billionaires, blue collar workers, green groups and the national architect of the blueprint to net zero have all joined forces for Mission Zero"

(note; the national architect of the blueprint to net zero is former Chief Scientist Alan Finkel, the federal government appointed Special Adviser on the road map to net zero, a man who also garnered much criticism and derision over the years from those lefty latte sucking numbnuts I mentioned).

A positive vindicating indication that a controlled and careful approach led by business driven innovation as spruiked by the govt will win the the day (there's that pesky tortoise and hare thing again...)

$2.1 trillion lucky country: 672,000 jobs bonanza

Of course the article will be dismissed as it is from that "lefty leaning" second rate hack ... (another metaphoric phrase of shooting the messenger comes to mind on that subject)
 

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I watched a doco on Alaska recently, nothing to do with climate change simply about touring, the host spoke to an environment representative about a particular lake and a glacier, she answered a question on ice ages and said if we were here a thousand years ago the glacier would be right at this point, it then started retreating and she mentioned that in the early 1700's the ice had retreated around 2K and off course it is still retreating. So what influence did man have on the environment between 1000 years ago and the early 1700's? in reply to a final question she said yes, sure, man is contributing to climate change, but not as great as the changing of the characteristics our sun and space in general.
 

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(note; the national architect of the blueprint to net zero is former Chief Scientist Alan Finkel, the federal government appointed Special Adviser on the road map to net zero, a man who also garnered much criticism and derision over the years from those lefty latte sucking numbnuts I mentioned).
Lol your hack writes what he is paid to say.

Just like this hack regards Finkel. Reading this article we are all doomed and so is Turnbull unless he dumps Finkel?


The rollover of the Murdoch print press is breath taking. But advertising dollars talk.

Sky news is as shocked as everyone one else, but not many advertising dollars head that way.

And it does give Scomo free license to pursue the net zero agenda with out fear of being attacked by the Murdochrosy.
 

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And I repeat.

"another metaphoric phrase of shooting the messenger comes to mind on that subject"

And if you want roll overs in shorter time frames?

There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead ...

But is the LNP net zero announcement really a sudden roll over as some will proclaim, depends on what pill you want to swallow.

There’s the Red Screaming Banshee pill of the left who will shout their populist BS from the roof tops knowing that their gullible acolytes will swallow it all down without blinking.

Or the Blue Reasoned Approach pill of the right, where compromise is what politics is all about.

Fact is the PM of the day (Turnbull) and the Environment Minister at that time (Hunt) both announced at COP21 that Australia has a net zero emissions target by 2100.

That is a fact that can not be denied ...

Is the bringing forward of this without controversy, obviously not. The Aukus sub deal has much to do with it.

No doubt the left will call it blackmail rather than see it for what it is, which is diplomacy and art of compromise …

Something the left party does not tolerate with there “back what the leadership tells you to, or remain silent” …
 

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Further to the whole ball of wax and whether Australia is, or isn’t, doing enough by not blindly following the lemmings jumping off the cliff …

Are the self proclaimed “pro climate change” countries really putting their money where their collective mouths are?

Germany, which people claim are leaders in the climate change revolution, is burning more coal as the price of gas surges and supply issues from Russia are driving up power generation costs. Not to mention that part of their green revolution is powered by burning bio-mass (along with non EU countries like the UK), which in turn involves chopping up trees that take 20 years to grow and tens on minuets to burn because it is deemed “carbon neutral” by the EU and UN (it is far from being so).

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In May 2019 the UK went an entire fortnight without using any coal to generate electricity. The last time this happened, Queen Victoria was on the throne. From having had its first coal-free day in summer 2017 to recording its first coal-free week in May 2019, the UK has done an impressive job of weaning itself off the dirtiest fossil fuel. But as environmentalists cheer the good news and policy-makers give themselves a pat on the back, a terrible truth has come to light: biomass power plants – a key renewable-energy source and one of the main replacements for coal-fired power – are emitting more carbon dioxide from their smokestacks than the coal plants they have replaced. In its haste to get rid of coal, the UK may have inadvertently made global warming worse.
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Source, Physics World.

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Europe is so short of natural gas that the continent -- usually seen as the poster child for the global fight against emissions -- is turning to coal to meet electricity demand that is now back to pre-pandemic levels.
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Source, Bloomberg.

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Four of the ten most toxic companies have their main coal plants in Germany: RWE, EPH, Uniper and Steag. This is no coincidence: Germany burns more coal than any other country in Europe, and has done little to reduce air pollution from its coal plants in the last decade. Three of the ‘toxic ten’ are in Poland: PGE, ENEA and ZE PAK. The final three are: ČEZ in the Czech Republic, Endesa in Spain, and Bulgarian Energy Holding in Bulgaria.
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Source, Beyond Coal

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European coal prices have jumped to their highest level in almost a year, after a surge in natural-gas prices spurred demand for the cheaper fossil fuel. Prices for thermal coal delivered into north western Europe have leapt 50% from their low in May to $57.77 a metric ton, according to data from Argus Media, a trade publication that tracks commodity prices. Thermal coal, the kind that power stations burn to generate electricity, hasn’t cost as much in Europe since late October 2019. Unusually, coal is now more expensive in Europe than in Australia, where prices were hit by reports that China had curbed imports amid a diplomatic feud with Canberra. “In Germany and in some of the other markets, you actually saw coal-fired power generation come back into the market, just because it was cheaper,” said Matthew Boyle, lead coal analyst at S&P Global Platts.
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Source, WSJ

Norway, another champion, is expanding their oil and gas operations.

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Norway eyes expansion of oil and gas industry under policy proposal. The government wants to hand out more exploration licences – ignoring modelling that shows fossil fuel expansion must end now to meet global climate goals.
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Source, Climate Change News.

So, what does it all mean, lip service is what, it boils down to money, power generation prices go up, old bad habits come back for voter base expediency to remain in power, and the planet be damned.

All these countries telling everyone that they have mandated zero net emissions are just BS’ing the public. No country that does not have an abundance of geothermal or hydo power generation that can produce base load is going to meet a zero net, wind and solar is not going to get it, and without huge leaps forward in tech like Twiggy Forrest’s hydrogen plant in Qld (as mentioned by the 2nd rate hack) nothing is going to change.

So, the article from the 2nd rate hack has a point and relevancy. Despite our northern hemisphere friends going backwards from where they are, we have an opportunity to go forward. We have resources and ability to process the Mission Zero Project even if it is a “Murdoch” news outlet derived project. The demands of the general public on the political wheels will demand it whether it is all smoke and mirrors or not …

But there will always be those who will “cut off one's nose to spite one's face” (there’s one of those pesky metaphoric phrase again) simply because they believe nothing good can come from those who are their “perceived” ideological foes …
 

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Very interesting article.

Real scientists are very restrained in their obvious disgust with the IPCC political organization.

I'll say right from the start, I'm a dumb arse when it comes to learning understanding new stuff but when you look at what happens when you are coming out of an ice age, well, you don't need to be real smart, too realise that things will warm up! :rolleyes: Yes, we can stop/control the crap that, we, force into the air but you can't control nature and how it rolls. ;)

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Zero emissions is an absolute myth unless we go back to living under rocks [ in caves ].EVERYTHING we use,eat,consume in any way requires energy to create.Build a wind turbine ? sure,how many tonnes of concrete is in the base ? steel in the tower ? synthetic material in the blades and casing ? is the energy required to produce all this offset by the power generated by the turbine in it's working life ? and then there is the removal and disposal [ apparently the vanes/blades aren't recyclable ] of the debris.The Gretas who think up all this rubbish have little or no real world life experience and ably demonstrate this fact [ mostly to others afflicted by the same malaise ] Nuclear power is the nearest thing to zero emission energy we have at present,[ much to the horror of some ] until something better is found.Yes solar is great,---'till sunset,as is the wind turbine---'till the chilli beans are expended,but we must have base load power plants.
 

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Zero emissions is an absolute myth unless we go back to living under rocks [ in caves ].EVERYTHING we use,eat,consume in any way requires energy to create.Build a wind turbine ? sure,how many tonnes of concrete is in the base ? steel in the tower ? synthetic material in the blades and casing ? is the energy required to produce all this offset by the power generated by the turbine in it's working life ? and then there is the removal and disposal [ apparently the vanes/blades aren't recyclable ] of the debris.The Gretas who think up all this rubbish have little or no real world life experience and ably demonstrate this fact [ mostly to others afflicted by the same malaise ] Nuclear power is the nearest thing to zero emission energy we have at present,[ much to the horror of some ] until something better is found.Yes solar is great,---'till sunset,as is the wind turbine---'till the chilli beans are expended,but we must have base load power plants.
Now now, don't you be spreading blasphemy, you can pay money to someone that doesn't pollute and then you achieve 0 greenhouse gases. 🤣 🤣 Hmmmmmm get paid for nothing by someone that did something, I think there's money to be made here! :unsure:😁🤣

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Now now, don't you be spreading blasphemy, you can pay money to someone that doesn't pollute and then you achieve 0 greenhouse gases. 🤣 🤣 Hmmmmmm get paid for nothing by someone that did something, I think there's money to be made here! :unsure:😁🤣

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Yep,as in most like senarios the money trail leads to a self promoter.It irks me how there is a " developing country " which is permitted greater pollution latitude yet has nuclear weapons,how can a " developing country " build nuclear weapons ? oh it's china,which is owns a big slice of the UN including the Human Rights council 🤢
 

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And I repeat.


And if you want roll overs in shorter time frames?

There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead ...
And as you know repealed by the Abbott government. And why (amongst many other things) Labor federally are still in the political wilderness.

Tony Abbott will be rolling in his political grave when he reads this -

"Former finance minister Mathias Cormann, who once declared carbon taxes a "very expensive hoax", is using his role as the head of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) to encourage countries to adopt more "stringent" carbon prices.''

"G20 economies are lifting their ambition and efforts, including through the explicit and implicit pricing of carbon emissions," Mr Cormann said in a statement.

"We need a globally more coherent approach which enables countries to lift their ambition and effort to the level required to meet global net zero by 2050, with every country carrying an appropriate and fair share of the burden while avoiding carbon leakage and trade distortions," Mr Cormann said.

"Carbon prices and equivalent measures need to become significantly more stringent, and globally better coordinated, to properly reflect the cost of emissions to the planet and put us on the path to genuinely meet the Paris Agreement climate goals."

Granted Cormann's rollover did take ten years.

And for the record IMHO Abbott was our last PM with any backbone. Wrong or right he stood by his convictions.
 
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