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My son just sent me this. I haven't heard anything about it or had any updates at work on this ruling. Anybody else heard anything?

It makes sense and I am going to look into it further.

 

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If it did come in, it did so without publicity (doesn't say what year), I haven't heard a whisper, but truth is stranger than fiction so I eagerly await more responses :).
 

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Same here geeyoutoo. I get QLD Transport updates on email at work. We tow trailers with the coaches so this is a concern. They are only small trailers with the little shackles.
 

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You can get both D shackles and Bow shackles with "SWL" (Safe Working Load) or "WLL (Working Load Limit) on them. D shackles are used for a straight line pull (one sling/chain each end. Bow shackles cater for a single sling / chain on the pin end and multi-able slings / chains on the Bow end. Every trailer should use rated shackles. Cheers
 

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In kennards and the landscape places here in SA they have similar warnings.
When I picked up a tandem trailer that I had custom built the guy told me that the police had driven past before when someone else picked up a trailer and they got a talking to for having not rated shackles.

I guess its enforced in SA too.
 

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Google Qld safe towing guide. Was updated august 2014. Page 7 outlines chain and shackle requirements. 'D' shackles are ok provided they are rated to 1.5 times the trailer ATM.

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Sounds fair enough though. You see some people using pretty dodgey d shackles on their trailers.. Best to be safe than sorry if it comes off!
 

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Most states and NT must have chain rated and stamped as certified to AS 4177
Shackles rated to AS 2741-2002

WA June 2010
http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/licensing/LBU_VS_CI_119.pdf

NT October 2010
http://www.transport.nt.gov.au/__da...ht-Trailer-Safety-Chain-Shackles-Jan-2013.pdf

Qld August 2014

NOTE that the guide says for shackles RECOMENDED to meet AS 2741-2002
See page 7. It does not say must have so they can not fine you for it unless there is a rule, act, regulation in some other legislation.


http://www.google.com.au/url?url=ht...RMr8Hw&usg=AFQjCNEv56Jb8mGtaFu8QCQnSCHPikNXHg
 

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Its interesting regarding the chain. My tandem trailer (made in SA) chain is welded to a plate that is attached to the frame. My xtrail camper (made in Vic) uses shackles at both ends..

Might have to get longer chains and have them attached...
 

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Google Qld safe towing guide. Was updated august 2014. Page 7 outlines chain and shackle requirements. 'D' shackles are ok provided they are rated to 1.5 times the trailer ATM.

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Well I haven't received that update at work. I shall certainly get onto it on monday when I'm back in the office. Where did you get the update or be notified of it?
 

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I think the gympie cops are following on from the transport Dept inspections down at the Fraser island ferry over Easter where they were inspecting trailer, Caravan and ute weights and and chains and shackels. There has been a lot on the Caravan forums about it. Be just one lazy traffic branch copper up there, sitting on his ar-se on the side of the road and making easy ticket numbers, just stop every caravan and trailer sure to get a ticket. No shortage this time of year.

I had had to have my chains replaced when I bought my van from Victoria a few years ago, the Road worthy place at Tingalpa just replaced the chains automatically and billed me for them because they had to be load rated chains. funny thing is they then supplied un rated 10mm shackles, cheeky buggars.

I never though anything of it till a couple of weeks ago when the forums started up and I went and checked, so off the bolt shop in Capalabaaaar and got a couple of Wll ( Working Load Limit) 1.5 ton l rated bow shackles for the caravan it has an ATM of 2050 kgs so 1.5 T is all I needed. They were really cheap about $4-$7 each or something like that. Lot cheaper than $235.00

Nic92GQ above stated 1.5 times the trailer ATM, That's nor really correct;
what it really says is "and have a break load limit of the shackle is rated at least 1.5 times greater than the ATM of the trailer."

This is explained further as ;"• Rated bolts, chain shackles or other suitable fittings (i.e. hammerlocks) may be used as devices for connection on safety chains providing the break load limit of the device is at least 1.5 times greater than the ATM of the trailer

• Generally, the break load limit of a rated shackle will be six times greater than its work load limit.

Taking as an example my new 11mm Bow shackles, they have a WLL of 1.5 Tonnes, that means the Break Load Limit of these shackles is 1.5 X 6 = 9 tonnes, my Caravan at 2050 ATM really requires only a Break Load Limit shackle rated to 3.75Tonnes or a WLL of 0.625 Kgs, which is a 10mm Grade S or 6 shackle.

I have gone up one shackle size X 2 ( two chains and shackles) which gives me a margin of nearly 250% in the interests of towing safety.

I feel fairly confident that it will blow the chain welds to the drawbar apart if it all really goes to chit, who really wants 2, out of control, Tonnes chasing them down the road.

Another important thing if you have two chains and shackles, you can't split the load between the shackles' and chains, each MUST be of the required standard... and you cant have the two chains coupled to a single shackle even if its of the right load rating, you must have 2 correctly rated shackles. Go figure that one out????
 

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Most states and NT must have chain rated and stamped as certified to AS 4177
Shackles rated to AS 2741-2002


Qld August 2014

NOTE that the guide says for shackles RECOMENDED to meet AS 2741-2002
It does not say must have.
Most of this stuff in Qld is Standards based and that being so, "recommended" IS the standard, anything less that that is not accepted. When I was doing Enforcement that was the requirement expected by Qld Transport.

AS2471-2002 is the standard so it is a MUST HAVE as a MINIMUM, no iffs no butts
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This cr-ap does your head in...
 

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My parents have not long got a jeep grand Cherokee (yes I know I know a jeep) and it's got the genuine mopar 3.5 Ton tow bar but the only rated shackles that will fit through the holes in it are the little 1.2t ratedi think they are so you can't fit shackles rated got the load the heap of crap can tow.
 

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what??

Ah you mean cant fit rated more than it can tow. having trouble reading chinese English as she is writ
 

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Safety Chain Connections (Shackles, Pins or Bolts)

The Department of Transport and Main Roads recommends that the shackles used should meet Australian Standard AS 2741-2002 “Shackles”, or another equivalent recognised standard, and have a break load limit of the shackle is rated at least 1.5 times greater than the ATM of the trailer.


It's a recommendation only, not law...... (and poorly composed, too)
 
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