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EGT Gauge for CRD

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I finally decided to install the EGT Gauge in the Patrol after I went to a wrecker and found out what the dump pipe actually looked like and figured out that the conversion would be pretty easy without having to remove the pipe etc. At first I was going to buy a dump pipe assembly from the wreckers and modify that and then just swap over the pipes once the work was done; but that wasn't necessary.

The first part involves removing the heat shield from the turbo. This wasn't initially as easy a task as I thought, with some of the bolt seized pretty tight and not much room to swing a spanner. First move was to WD40 all the bolts and within minutes, they just tweedled off. One word of note to those who tackle this task, you don't need to remove the bolt that sits just under the rubber hose where the water pipe goes (centre right under the air-con pipe in the first photo).

The shroud was a bugger to wrangle out from its resting place, but once the right moves were made, it came out fairly easily and replacement wasn't too difficult either, though I removed about a 5mm sliver of metal from either side where it curves around the vacuum diaphragm and that made subsequent installation and removal very easy).


This is the EGT kit that I bought. It consists of the pyrometer probe, control box and digital display. The kit also came with two types of fittings for the probe, a standard nipple that could be welded onto the dump pipe and another nipple already welded to a screw clamp (next photo). As I didn't want to remove the pipe for welding of the nipple, I used the provided clamp.


This is the nipple and clamp positioned over the dump pipe while I worked out the best location before drilling the required hole. What you can't see in this photo is the other side of the nipple. It isn't flat, but has a tapered nozzle that sits inside the drilled hole and provides a tight seal what the clamp is tightened (otherwise this setup would be useless).



The next part involved measuring and locating the right place to the hole in the heat shield and, as I'm the world's greatest at measuring things, the hole naturally was completely off on the first attempt. That's the reason why the shield came off around six times, as I had to keep filing away until the nipple was fully exposed and things could be attached.



This is the final setup with the nipple and Swagelok in place (and the hole looking somewhat meaningful). Everything bolted back nicely and it was now time to feed the probe through the firewall.






There's one thing that I wish every vehicle manufacturer would do and that's install a bloody big grommet, somewhere easily accessible, so that you don't have to fight every inch of the way to pull through cables etc. The probe added extra complexity, as it was a rigid piece and had a right angle to boot. At first I was somewhat worried that I'd damage the probe pushing it through the only reasonable opening in the Patrol, but then I thought, it's going to be living in hell for the rest of its life, so poking its way through some rubber and insulation is hardly an effort. So the final assembly went fairly easily, once I'd managed to work the probe through the firewall.


This is the gauge display and location. It was very easy to install, as all that was required was to connect the wires from the control box and gauge display together, route one to earth and one to switched power and all was good. It's very easy to read where I've located the display and quite unobtrusive in the overall scheme of things; I like things to be understated and almost unnoticed when I put something in any of my vehicles.


The gauge works well after a short test drive and I'll be really interested in what temperatures I get while with and without the camper. The thing I already noticed even in the short drive was how quickly the temps rise and drop, doing 60kmh in overdrive raises the temps compared to doing the same out of overdrive.

The EGT Gauge that I bought was from: http://www.dynotunenitrous.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=134

Cheers

Ray
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Hi Ray,
Great post & photo's, I wish my heatshield was as easy to remove as yours (& my 2006 model that I got rid of). In the 2010 there is a dirty big AC pipe in the way for the rear AC, I ended up cutting the shield in two whilst still on the car & then removing, tidying up, fitting the probe etc.......***** of a job!

Will be interested to hear what your EGT's get to with the camper on & without.

I just returned from Fraser Island & found the CRD seems to run around 100c hotter than the DI I got rid of earlier this year.
Highway towing between 480-520, DI was high 3's to low 4's.
600 easily reached on decent hills (where I backed off), DI was 500 in a similar situation.
I reached 650 a couple of times Thursday last week ploughing through the soft sand at Fraser to make the barge down at Hook point, tide was taking it's time to drop due to a 40 knot onshore blow so did not have much choice......

I'm considering a bigger exhaust & maybe a chip to get a few extra ponies however I'm unsure from other's experiences whether this will assist that much with the EGT's.

Anyhow, let me know what your experience is.

Cheers
Matt
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Hey Matt, just read your post and thought I'd let you know what I've done regarding exhaust etc. As you may already know we have the same vehicle (crd) & mine is chipped. When I first took delivery of the patrol I didn't fit the egt gauge straight away. It wasn't until I researched on here that I relised I needed to install a gauge if running a chip, so I did. So this is where it gets interesting, I tow a fairly big boat occasionally. The boat is around 3 tonne. Anyway while towing it I noticed temps as high as 720-750 with the chip set to zero! I could not back off the accelerater anymore. I was in 2nd gear going over the slide (Kinglake). So I looked into all the options regarding exhaust and came across a company called PGS 4x4. They do a 3 inch exhaust but they also remove the turbo and manufacture the outlet from a 2 inch to 2.5 inch & modify the CAT aswell. In my opinion worth every cent. Other exhaust just bolt straight onto the 2inch off the back of the turbo, pointless. This has dropped my egt's back to factory temps with the chip set to 7 (DP chip). And the turbo spools a lot earlier. I'm very happy with the results, I wanted to get it done prior to going to Fraser because of the sand driving. Cheers Cuzzo
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Nice work & write up Ray!
Thanks. It's good to finally get this installed and if I'd looked into things more closely earlier on, I'd have installed it when i bought it, but at the time, I thought I'd have to pull the dump pipe etc out to do so.

Cheers

Ray
Hey Matt, just read your post and thought I'd let you know what I've done regarding exhaust etc. As you may already know we have the same vehicle (crd) & mine is chipped. When I first took delivery of the patrol I didn't fit the egt gauge straight away. It wasn't until I researched on here that I relised I needed to install a gauge if running a chip, so I did. So this is where it gets interesting, I tow a fairly big boat occasionally. The boat is around 3 tonne. Anyway while towing it I noticed temps as high as 720-750 with the chip set to zero! I could not back off the accelerater anymore. I was in 2nd gear going over the slide (Kinglake). So I looked into all the options regarding exhaust and came across a company called PGS 4x4. They do a 3 inch exhaust but they also remove the turbo and manufacture the outlet from a 2 inch to 2.5 inch & modify the CAT aswell. In my opinion worth every cent. Other exhaust just bolt straight onto the 2inch off the back of the turbo, pointless. This has dropped my egt's back to factory temps with the chip set to 7 (DP chip). And the turbo spools a lot earlier. I'm very happy with the results, I wanted to get it done prior to going to Fraser because of the sand driving. Cheers Cuzzo
Great info here, is the exhaust note any louder inside the cabin?
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They do a 3 inch exhaust but they also remove the turbo and manufacture the outlet from a 2 inch to 2.5 inch & modify the CAT aswell. In my opinion worth every cent. Other exhaust just bolt straight onto the 2inch off the back of the turbo, pointless.
Did you actually see them pull the turbo off and do this?
After several test runs about town and up the Pentland Hills, I've now worked out where the temps sit (approx) under different loads:

Idle (at engine operating temp) - 200C

Coasting at all speeds - 300-400C

Under heavy load - 500-600C

Cheers

Ray
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200 at idle sounds high. Perhaps thats what the CRDs all do??
I think all the modern diesels run at higher temps because of the catalytic converter, which only initiates at around 200C and needs around 400-500C to work optimally.

Cheers

Ray
Great write up Ray and a great install. Just the sort of thing people need to know.

Btw.....whats with the new username?
Great write up Ray and a great install. Just the sort of thing people need to know.

Btw.....whats with the new username?
I coudn't post anything for days, constantly getting an error message, and noticed that things weren't right with my previous username. I thought maybe something had been corrupted during the server crash, so I registered again and finally could post.

Cheers

Ray
Sorry guys I was away the weekend, DLP81 I haven't noticed more noise in the cabin at all. But when the window is down the note is a little different only when there is a car beside me for the sound of the exhaust to bounce back off.

Benno sorry I should have explained a little better. The dump pipe was removed and made 2.5 inch into CAT and 3 inch out. Aswell as the CAT was made less restrictive.

Ray sorry for the hijack.
Did you drill out the dump pipe while it was still on the turbo? or did you remove to drill it?
Did you drill out the dump pipe while it was still on the turbo? or did you remove to drill it?
I just drilled it while attached. There was plenty of room and I wasn't overly worried about a few bits of metal going into the cat.

Cheers

Ray
Thought that I'd do an update, now that I've had a chance to test things out with and without the camper. Nothing much has changed regarding temps when driving without the camper and I've been surprised that when towing, the figures don't change all that greatly.

Having towed the camper twice now to the Jamieson area and back, the maximum EGT temp that I've had has been about 630C. Christmas was the hardest test, as the outside temps were high, lots of hills and coming back on the Hume, had a strong headwind almost all the way back.

I know that this temp sounds high, but I just find that the CRD seems to run high temps (compared to the others, expecially 4.2s) and there's nothing that one can do about it. Lifting off the throttle will certainly lower the temps, but when you're going up the hill from Molesworth to Yea, it doesn't matter what you do, slow or fast, the temps will rise.

So I think that the CRD temps are just naturally high and I'm not going to sweat things at all, and just keep driving as normal.

Cheers

Ray
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How far from the output flange on the turbo is the probe that you have installed?
How far from the output flange on the turbo is the probe that you have installed?
About 50mm, but I now have a 3" exhaust, so that shows the original, factory, dump pipe.

Cheers

Ray
About 50mm, but I now have a 3" exhaust, so that shows the original, factory, dump pipe.

Cheers

Ray
Ok, thanks for that.
The reason for asking is that MTQ specify that for an accurate reading the probe needs to be 100-150mm from the flange. Any closer or further will give an in-accurate reading.
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