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Whilst looking for a Gu saw one at a wholesaler and it had sticker on fuel door "dont use biodiesl will destro engine", is there any truth in this. I'm talking about purchased biodiesl at the pumps (Gull in WA) not used chip oil

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mate iv seen it destroy my mates fuel pump so thats enough for me not to use it.im pritty sure it dosnt have ther same lubrication prop as normal fuel
 

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GULL Bio-Diesel... EEEEEYYYYYYUUUUUUK

I wouldn't put that rubbish in a Landcruiser let alone a TD42 or indeed any of the modern CRD engines of any make.

Would probably be OK in a 2.8 tho... (Sorry Benno, couldn't resist) :p:p:p
 

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I ran 100% recycled BD in my 1kz-te Toyota EFI diesel for years, then when I moved away from the source of that I switched to Gull BD and used that for years with no problems at all. Cheaper, cleaner and the yota loved it.
 

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The rotary nissan pumps do not like it! No diesel specialist in SE QLD i have spoken to suggests its use in the TD42 or ZD30 Direct Injection pumps.
 

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I remember a thread stating Nissan will void warranty if people use it. quick fuel test and farewell warranty.
Think Dan said VW say no as well.
 

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If your fuel delivery system has been or is going to be rebuilt, just ensure all seals and gaskets are made from type F or B grade viton materials.

These have been specifically made to support the bio fuel industry and applications into the market such as the Automotive industry.

Bio is a better lubricated fuel source than Dino esp with the ULSD being Australias only type.

It will clean out your fuel system and you will need to make a number of filter changes in rapid succession and it is best to avoid mixing or switching between the two types.

It is renewable and sustainable as a fuel source.

Nissan can choose to invalidate warranty by its use though.
 

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GULL equals imported Singaporean Rubbish Fuel

GULL Bio-diesel equals Singaporean Rubbish Fuel with unkown other rubbish added

Quotes from the RAC

Disadvantages

Increases fuel consumption.
Many engine and vehicle manufacturers have not endorsed its use. Use of biodiesel could therefore void your warranty. Some manufacturers will allow a B-5 blend (i.e. 5% biodiesel and 95% conventional diesel). However many vehicle manufacturers oppose using any biodiesel in their vehicles.
As yet there is no accepted standard for biodiesel blends in Australia. The European diesel fuel standard allows up to 5% biodiesel. However the current Australian fuel standards do not cover biodiesel blends.
Warranties and biodiesel


The RAC is concerned that motorists could be denied warranty coverage over the use of biodiesel sold at the pump. Many engine and vehicle manufacturers do not endorse the use of biodiesel in their engines. This can lead to problems with any warranty claims related to engine or fuel system failures.

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Gull biodiesel

A B20 biodiesel blend is now sold in WA by Gull Petroleum.


Gull biodiesel, or BIO-D, is a B20 blend - 20% biodiesel with 80% conventional diesel.
Gull Petroleum has advised the RAC that the company "assures motorists that Gull BIO-D, a blend of up to 20% biodiesel and 80% mineral diesel, fully complies with the regulated specifications for automotive diesel. These specifications set all of the operability and environmental performance criteria against which every diesel vehicle sold in Australia is manufactured". The RAC however is concerned that the standard referred to is for mineral diesel and is silent on some aspects of biodiesel blends.
 

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Also Check here Biodiesel fuel quality standard
Also Check out the Biofuel myths here Mythbusters
Yeah, right, the "biofuelsassociation" is a totally independant body eh ...and how do those links have ANY bearing on the standard of the imported GULL Bio-diesel (20%) being dispensed in WA?

If the vehicle manufacturers (not just Nissan either) warranties are void and the RAC indicate that it is potentially damaging to use and specifically mention GULL B20 I for one am siding with them.
 

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Dont put biodiesel in a 2.8, it has a submerged electronic circuit and if the guys who make the biodiesel were slack one day and left the 'cleaners' in the biodiesel, its caustic properties will chew this circuit board up. So DONT DO IT!

there is quite a few threads on this now

if they want to crap on about a new product, I would want to see a MSDS with a full chemistry break down
 

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Yeah, right, the "biofuelsassociation" is a totally independant body eh ...and how do those links have ANY bearing on the standard of the imported GULL Bio-diesel (20%) being dispensed in WA?

If the vehicle manufacturers (not just Nissan either) warranties are void and the RAC indicate that it is potentially damaging to use and specifically mention GULL B20 I for one am siding with them.
You mean to say you could not find the link off the AussiGov web site showing the properties that Biodiesel must meet to be sold in Australia - imported or not even in WA.

Happy to link it direct for you Summary of the current Biodiesel Fuel Quality Standard
 

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Well FFS I give up... I was attempting to stay on topic WRT GULL B20

Anyway, there ya go Kendacre I was wrong. Use the GULL B20 as much as you want.

Maybe ring the Nissan dealer and ask him if you can tear up your warranty or whether you need to bring it in for him to do it. :headwall:
 

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All I know is My cousin runs 3 gull stores here in WA and HE DOESN'T USE IT in his truck.... thats gotta speak volumes
 

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All I know is My cousin runs 3 gull stores here in WA and HE DOESN'T USE IT in his truck.... thats gotta speak volumes
Wouldn't suprise me in the least...

We have a VERY large Fleet where I am employed (sometimes gainfully) and the use of B20 is prohibited by the Fleet Managers.

This morning I decided to do a quick poll of the Vehicle manuals and other than the RAC and WA Gov warnings on the use of B20 here is what I found.

Mazda Handbook - Do not use Biodiesel blends 5% and above...
Nissan - Same
Ford - Same
Toyota - Same
Hino - Same

Just to be clear, I am not against Biodiesel. It's a free country people can use whatever they want. Indeed we probably already are as the Suppliers don't have to disclose blends below 5%.

The thread asked specifically about GULL B20 use in GU's and specifically it is deemed not suitable however I don't have access to a 2.8 Handbook.

There endeth my rant, my opinion and my research on the subject :cool:
 

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NSW has mandated that all Diesel sold from 2012 will be B2. That will be the start...........and the % will increase from then on. No choice.:(
 

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NSW has mandated that all Diesel sold from 2012 will be B2. That will be the start...........and the % will increase from then on. No choice.:(
Yeah, thats cool... no problems with that at all. 2% (B2) is fine and warranted by all Manufacturers (NSW will increase to 5% later)... remember the Refiners can add up to 5% already so this is just a minimum mandate by NSW and within Manuf spec's
 
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