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I know there are two other threads but i think this site has a little more info/thought put into it and the car kit doesn't cost thousands. The bloke that designed/sells this lives in Sarina just outside of Mackay, close enough for me on the way home.

I've been looking at this website for awhile now Hydrogen Fuel Cells Australia debating to take the plunge and try it out on my patrol as i'm driving 1oookms weekly to get to work so i'm looking at the long term savings with the other benefits.

I know everyone has their theories but has anyone physically tried something like this before?
Is there any problems that you can foresee in the future?

vvvv My GQ is a '90 LWB 4.2TDT with a W2A cooler for the record. vvvv;)
 

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This one can get very emotive... Popcorn and a Six pack time... :coffeeti:

Great in theory but the amount of electrical power needed to generate a big enough amount of H "onboard" is pretty humungous plus the dicking around mixing the fluid (straight water is not efficient enough).

Most H powered vehicles and buses run on 100% H and it works sorta like LPG with external Service Satations and onboard storage tanks with some converting the energy the other way IE from Hdrogen to Electrical.

The latest potentially commercially viable projects are LNG/Hydrogen mix 80/20 engines but I think they are targeting buses.

The one thing everyone agrees on is that because H is an excellent catalyst it does reduce harmful emmissions significantly.
 

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The need for an additional battery was on my mind or better alternator. (" All our units start at 1amp but we recommend between 18-30 amps depending on you application.")

I'm no scientist but does the Glauber's salt common name for sodium sulfate decahydrate help in the separation of the water molecules?

I guess with these kits is not having to store the gas, from what i can tell it makes full output of gas after several minutes from the car being started and viewed as an additive.
 

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first of all HHO and "hydrogen fuel cell" are two different things. the fact that they are trying to pass off HHO units as "fuel cells" shows its a scam straight off.

have a hunt around well proven to do nothing even from people who have bought them.
 

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Buy my bridge in sydney first, and I'll throw in a free hiclone.

I wouldn't call it emotive, I'd call it frustration with stupid people believing turning ash into wood and burning it again is a worthwhile effort.
If you believe that then you're better off giving your money to me and I'll say a prayer each night for you to the fuel economy gods.
 

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The first person to get one of these fuel cells to work and produce enough hydrogen to make a car run as if on petrol / diesel will become the richest man on the planet and you will read about it all over the front page of every major newspaper. Unless I was asleep when this happened I would keep your money and buy fuel. As evil twin said the only realistic option with todays technology is hydrogen storage.
 

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i first was told about this particular site about 18 months ago and as you can see i haven't brought one and haven't heard of anyone else having one. If it was as good as they make it out to be i'd think there'd be a few cars getting around with them by now.

I could build a website full of videos and info copied from various other sites, draw a dyno graph and writes some comments from happy customers. Today Tonight has absolutely no credibility and all stories are twisted so bad they become entirely fictional.

I made this thread hoping that maybe someone had a similar kit that had noted positive results, guess not....
 

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I made this thread hoping that maybe someone had a similar kit that had noted positive results, guess not....
Toughxa, Mate, you did good, and you got a couple of really good answers, that's what these forums are all about, communication and the quest for knowledge, if you don't know, ask.
 

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HHO is a bunch of ho ho ho....

THe way hydrogen is produced from water is by passing a LARGE current through the water to break the massive forces holding the hydrogen atoms to the water. THEN you have to siphon off the H BEFORE it reacts violently with the oxygen reforming H20... This is an extremely hazardous task and requires huge amounts of energy - more than what you'll gain by burning it i'm afraid...

HHO units as shown on that youtube link a while ago (someone may remember where it is) is just steam. That is it. HHO may help in the same way water injection helps, but this is Glort and Tweak'es territory...

LPG fumigation seems to look good - dunno about on modern engines though. Not worht the fuel savings, but power upgrade is apparantly awesome.

I put diesel in my tank... no snake oil. And it goes good.

PS - not a dig at 2t users. Snake oil in this instance i refer to any unproven and untested 'improvements'...
 

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I attended a demo in decemebr regarding hydrogen fuel cells being developed by RMIT.

The system demo, is being developed for use at remote radio sites. The system requires low dc voltage, to make it work. ( ie a solar panel was used to generate hydrogen)

It would be too large for use in a vehilce, but perfect for a remote site, as the only fuel required is ionised water.
 

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but if they could generate enough power to turn water to H and O, why not just use the electricity generated by the solar system/?
 

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A Hydrogen fuel cell combines hydrogen and oxygen on a special catalyst to make electricity and water.
Motorola Radio dude, I think they were using the stored hydrogen from the daytime to generate power for use during the night time.
Basically a battery replacement.
 

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MikeH - you are correct, this is the intended application.

The demo system was small, but they are working on 5 KVA systems.

Ideal for remote sites as this type of system would require less mainataince. Also removes the need for gen sets, that are at a lot of solar / batterys sites.
 

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I'm sure it will go away when two hydrogen fuel cell vehicles crash into each other and a suburb gets vaporised. Anybody hear about the Hindenburg........LOL
 

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The resulting gas: Oxy-hydrogen is also referred to as HHO or Brown's gas (named after the famed Bulgarian scientist, Yull Brown).
What's another way to represent the water molecule? H2O (HHO?). :D

This gas is three times more powerful than normal petrol, yet it burns with the chemical stability of water.
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... HHO may help in the same way water injection helps, but this is Glort and Tweak'es territory...
HHO is not even close to it. in fact you could pour the water into air intake and get more performance than the HHO.

the big problem with HHO is that your burning fuel to make power to make a fuel to assist burning the main fuel. if the hydrogen is generated elsewhere rather than produced on board then it would would work. while your at it, replace the hydrogen with a easier, safer, more attainable gas......LPG. mmmmm.....i think we have LPG system on diesels already.

fuel cells are interesting. last i heard they where trying to make fuel cells for laptops and also to power electric cars.
 

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HHO is not even close to it. in fact you could pour the water into air intake and get more performance than the HHO.

the big problem with HHO is that your burning fuel to make power to make a fuel to assist burning the main fuel. if the hydrogen is generated elsewhere rather than produced on board then it would would work. while your at it, replace the hydrogen with a easier, safer, more attainable gas......LPG. mmmmm.....i think we have LPG system on diesels already.

fuel cells are interesting. last i heard they where trying to make fuel cells for laptops and also to power electric cars.
Sorry, Tweak'e. What i was saying is that the scam that is HHO only produces STEAM which might help in the same way water injection does. i.e. steam is very fine droplets of water which would transfer down the manifold easier. But as i have no experience in waer injection, i thought i'd mention you...
 
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