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Received an email from a friend on men's health issues and the problems he has been facing, at this point in time he wishes to remain anonymous, it is an interesting read and something that is always on the horizon for some of us. Read on.

This is my journey. I'm 67 and have been healthy all my life. High blood pressure, but this is hereditary and am medicated for it. There is no history of any type of cancer in either side of my family. As a young bloke I had an outside job and would go to work in boots and shorts. No sign of melanoma. I've had the PSA test yearly for the last nine years and all readings have been normal. Last year it became elevated. My Doctor is a great bloke, he offered the digital examination or for me to have or a course of antibiotics and try another blood test. Guess which action I took. Anyway, the test came back. Still elevated. Damn, OK, let's try a MRI. Bewdy, go down the magnetic tunnel and be bombarded for about an hour. Another weeks wait.

At the Doctors appointment we have a chat, now comes the dreaded news, there appears to be a growth on your prostate. The long spiel about how it might be nothing, most things are treatable, don't worry, make an appointment after Christmas and we'll see. You know that river in Egypt, denial. Stuff it, not worth worrying about.
I was reading an article about Peter Wherrett, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Wherrett
he died of prostate cancer. This changes my mind.
Fair bit of crap happening at home and a lot of pressure, which may or may not contribute.
I go to my Doctor and ask for a referral for a biopsy, which is the only way to determine what is happening to me. An appointment is made, first, I need to have a consultation. In I go and have a talk to the Radioligists. The whole procedure is explained to me. This does not sound very friendly. The procedure will be the day before my birthday.
The eventful day arrives, I need to start a course of antibiotics, two hours before me presenting I need to give myself an enema.

The time approaches, I'm in the office and my name is called. In I go. Here, put this gown on and strip to the waist, here's a plus, I can keep my shirt on. In the surgery I'm instructed to lie on my side.

For the squeamish, skip to the next paragraph. A tube which feels the size of a QE2 smokestack is inserted. A ultrasound device is inserted into my date and the Doctor has a bit of a squiz around. Ahhh, I see the tumour, fme, it's the first time that word has been said. He explains that I'm going to get two locals into the prostate and then eighteen samples will be taken. A new larger tube is inserted, he then starts to tell me how long the needle is. La, la, la don't tell me, there's some things I don't need to know. Jab, jab, stinging. I'm not good with needles. Now the next bit, there are nine core samples taken from each side. No pain, just a small thump, feel like you want to poo, pee and a stinging sensation on the end of willy. The samples are the size of a match broken in half. This I take hi word for as I'm closely studying the paint pattern on the wall.

All done, Doctor says, that went well and mumbled about how clear the computer screen is now after the upgrade. Nurse, female says, here's your clothes and a pad to put into your undies. Now I know what the wings are for. I'm told that I need to pee, as there will be blood in my bladder and if I don't clear it, I'll need an operation. Drink beer he says, finally something that I like.

I go home, it takes seven beers before the pee happens, blood. It takes four more pees before it is clear. All good. Two nights ago, more blood. The bowel has had twenty punctures to it. Today, Saturday is the first poo. The procedure was Tuesday, I've been eating sparingly. Lots of blood clots, but it's all old stuff. I get the results Tuesday.

I'll keep you all posted.

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Today I received an update to the above:

Update, it is cancer, I'm off for a bone scan then a body cat scan to see if the sucker has spread. Find out my options next week. At the moment it doesn't appear to be too aggressive.
 

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Further update:

Booked in for the bone scan. Damn, another needle, I turn up and have a needle full of radioactive dye. I'm sent home for a while. Get a phone call, can you come in earlier. I'm onto this. In I go, have you emptied your bladder? Strain out a few drops. Don't even have to get undressed ( by now I'm used to wearing a back opening gown). Lie on the machine, lots of buzzing, machine rotations, cramps in arms and 40 minutes later all done. The dye has made me feel a little funny, I have to drink plenty of fluids to flush out the stuff. Just had a few stomach cramps, dye gone and the bowl withstood the abuse.
Now have to set the alarm for an early rise. Need to consume 1.2 litres of water tomorrow, starting at 7am in preparation for a CT scan at 9am. I don't have to retain it, it's just a flushing process. The form has been completed, the header states that a fluro dye will be injected. Have I stated before, I'm needle phobic.
Update tomorrow on this process.
 

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Certainly a rough ride he's having. I hate this growing old lark. Everyday becomes 'luck of the draw' day.
 

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Absolute best of luck with this issue, it’s commonly said this one responds well to treatment when caught early, so hopefully that’s the case, power of positive thought.

Thoughts are with your friend Ross, could be any one of us over 40 next time.
 

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All the best for your mate Ross,
I’ve got a mate who just had a 5cm tumour removed that was growing around his rectum. He had to get his large intestines removed and his rectum sewn to his small intestines, pretty amazing what the can do these days. Thankfully he doesn’t need one of those external pooping bags.

I don’t believe there is any family history of cancer so it’s pretty scary that he is only just turned 30!
 

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Another update this morning, at the end he says he's happy to answer anyone's questions, I've been through the 'funny taste/hot/feel like your going wet yourself bit several years ago........



Cat Scan.

I managed to drink my 1.2 litres of water. Down I go, on the form they ask if I've had any operations. I left that blank as I didn't know if my tonsil operation when I was four needed to be reported. That didn't matter. In I go, front opening gown this time, can leave shirt and jocks on, modesty is preserved. Another big machine, John Cleese would have approved, as this one not only went 'ping', it speaks to you too. Now comes the dreaded words, "I'm going to insert a cannula ", this feels like a hi flow diesel nozzle. The nurse started to talk about the insertion process, "No, I don't need to know". Two scans are taken, no problem, now for the dye. "You will have a funny taste in your mouth, you will feel hot, you will feel like you are wetting yourself". All correct. Scan again. All done, get dressed and sit outside and wait for ten minutes and the cannula is removed. I can go home but no exercise is allowed. Results and consultation Tuesday. This will be the day that decisions will need to be made.

I'm happy to answer any questions.
 

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Update:

Setback.
Things have been ok. Everything appears normal. I take Cialis as a firmerupper, been off it in prep for the procedure, wouldn't want to appear too excited when the Doctor is doing his stuff. Anyway, Friday is clock and ****, I wind my antique clock and take my Cialis. Been feeling a bit off so have been in bed most of the day. Had a kip but woke up with a boner.
Feeling ok I get up and watch some TV (fishing in Shark Bay looks good), need to pee, blood, OK, no biggie.
Leave it a while and hook into the fluids, next pee, more blood and heaps of long stringy clots. Bit of a worry. I'll see how the next pee goes, starting to punish the water bottle now.
 

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As Ross is busy at the moment this has been forwarded to me to post.

Sincerest best wishes for a speedy recovery.



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Damn, ended up in casualty, blood was not abating. A cannula was inserted, feeling woozy now. The young female doctor needs to check the prostate for swelling. Ok, tick that off the bucket list. Have a bladder scan, there's a litre in there, told to go have a pee and empty out. Come back and rescanned, still 700ml left. Next procedure is a catheter is inserted by a female nurse and a good flow ensures. All good, I can go home, first the cannula must be removed. Im put on a wheelchair and make it past the door. I wake up surrounded by nurses and the doctor, I'd has a heart seizure. They need more blood, veins have collapsed and with the jabbing nothing is forthcoming, try the other arm, several attempts later they have enough blood. I'm wired up with 10 attachments and the readings are not looking good. At five am they send my wife home. I'm wheeled in the bed this time to a ward and closely monitored. No sleep happening, still draining and am given the good news that yet another needle full of blood needs to be taken before the morning doctor can see me. About 10.30am I'm punctured yet again. I'm very tense at this stage and the nurse has difficulty. Good news though, pee has no more blood. Now I have to wait for the blood to be tested and my turn with the doctor. I haven't had my daily blood pressure medication and naturally that is high. Finally the doctor sees me. I can go home with a couple of spare pee bags and my doctor will remove the catheter on Tuesday.
At home now resting.
 

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Tuesday

The day I find out. There is a nurse at the Doctors surgery and it had been prearranged for her to remove the catheter. No fuss, no problems, must drink water to get the bladder going, if it doesn't start, off I go again and get catheterised again. So water it is.
Now the Doctor finally calls me in. He's smiling, a good sign, we are booking you into the Mater under public, had a chat to a few friends and pulled some strings. Surgery is the only option, you may get keyhole robotic or normal, depending upon who is available. Accommodation is available for my wife, possibly in for five days. Now for the better news, bone scan and organ scan have come up clear.
With any luck, by Easter I'll be cancer free. PSA tests every three months for the first year, then once a year as per normal until I'm 75, after that time they don't worry about it.
Hopefully my next report will be my last. Thanks for the support.





The outcome looking better. Sigh of relief from all of us :D
 

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Yes great news, just opened up my laptop and find his good news email, already posted by Lee though. He may wish to remain anonymous and that is fine, to him it is more about the pathway and how quick life can change from one extreme to another and hopefully all the way back.
 

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I've been down that road too, glad to hear he is recovering. I WAS in Top health cover and chose the robotic procedure but only to find that I finished up out of pocket $13,000, guess what I'm no longer in private health fund.

One important lesson for everyone here from my own experience and that of your friend geeyou2 is THE ELEVATED PSA READING.

My PSA reading was .023 prior to my operation, no symptoms, no problem at toilet, horny as a rattlesnake...NO PROBLEMS. Even a digital examination revealed nothing.

My father died from prostate cancer and my younger brother had the op about 6 months prior, cost him nothing in public.

My Doctor rang me about 2 weeks after PSA test and said he (luckily) compared my reading with previous years which were.....018---.013---.08
Yes just like your friend my readings had jumped by .05 a year for 3 years and this was the signal. He referred me to a urologist who said I could do nothing because of my good health or we could do a biopsy under anaesthetic which is what we did and it came up with the positive result. That was 8 years ago and I have been constantly .02/3 since which is considered zero.

I suggest you all have yearly PSA readings and KEEP THE RESULTS YOURSELF so that you too can refer back and see if there are any increases, your doctor might not be as thorough as my bloke or just too busy to double check and you are soon forgotten.

There is not a lot written about the increase on PSA readings so I'm pleased you and your friend brought this to everyone's attention geeyou2.
 

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Good on you Porks.

Is 40 still considered the age at which you should be keeping an eye on things or does it depend on family history, overall health etc etc?
 

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Start tracking it now and if the Dr won't do it, tell him to get stuffed and find one that will!

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Good on you Porks.

Is 40 still considered the age at which you should be keeping an eye on things or does it depend on family history, overall health etc etc?
I do believe that family history can play a big part, but do not rely on on it. You are an individual and cancer doesn't read history books. Just because your dad never got run over crossing the road, doesn't mean you won't.
 

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My father had prostate cancer.
I have a psa check every couple of years. 49 now.
I am no expert but I've heard cases of prostate ca without a marked psa rise.
Happened to a work mate who had it removed.
I have had symptons of reduced urinary stream and more difficulty commencing a stream.
Had an ultrasound which showed the prostate a normal size and no urine retention so all good.
 

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My father had prostate cancer.
I have a psa check every couple of years. 49 now.
I am no expert but I've heard cases of prostate ca without a marked psa rise.
Happened to a work mate who had it removed.
I have had symptons of reduced urinary stream and more difficulty commencing a stream.
Had an ultrasound which showed the prostate a normal size and no urine retention so all good.
I have the test every year and my understanding is it is all about test history, if tests are being done at different places by different peope then the test is not 100% reliable, but if the records are kept by one Dr then it works.
 

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This is a personal thought of cancer thought of Oriental medicine and thinking as a pharmacist. Everyday I am consulted with cancer patients, but it is rare that speaking to them is a cancer itself, it is rare that I lose my fitness with treatment and lose it for infectious diseases and others. There is considerable damage to the body of surgery, radiation, and drugs, and we can not maintain our own life unless we can withstand this. Many drugs used in the treatment of cancer, because radiation affects rapidly dividing cells, gut mucosal tissue, bone marrow stem cells to divide

Because there are differences in medical system in Japan and overseas, it can not be said unequivocally, but most patients receive such treatment. I felt confronted with a cancer patient for about 15 years, is that it is impossible to close a good life only by attacking with treatment. It may be impossible to understand because there is a religious difference, but the life expectancy of the patient is not determined by the doctor, it is a destiny and nobody knows.

The life expectancy indicated by the doctor is just statistical data when general treatment is done, it is completely different whether that time was a better time. I strongly encourage people to talk to themselves, if you treat them, protect your body at the same time. Whether or not to do this is whether life in the future will be good time, it will be time to end in pain and suffering, whether it will be time to lose the power to think life though breath in morphine.

Even if the time of the life expectancy indicated by a doctor comes, you can open the morning so that morning will come every morning as long as you have the power to live on your body at that time. This is not a miracle nor a natural thing. It is the same as this moment that I am participating in this forum and reading my cruel English. Foolish people who do not understand will make this a miracle, but that is not the case.

Cancer survives in the in-vivo environment where my cells deteriorate, throwing away all the cooperativeness as somatic cells, etc. It is the thing my history created. Therefore it is very difficult to eradicate this as it is a very excellent cell as a cell in a sense. Personally I think that it is impossible to completely eliminate cancer from this world by medical technology. It is the same as seeking perfect world peace. It is Oriental medicine 's idea to coexist with human beings the time left behind without violating each other's survival space.

It is necessary to control their runaway and not to threaten our lives, which is treatment by medical institutions. In that case, as mentioned above, please also keep your body at the same time. I think that I can spend the rest of my life better.

One thing I definitely want to say is that I do not believe that the current medical treatment is wrong. There are differences in approaches, it means that there is application and limitation on both sides.One thing I definitely want to say is that I do not believe that the current medical treatment is wrong. There are differences in approaches, it means that there is application and limitation on both sides. I think that my thought is not unscientific and that both approaches are necessary due to differences in viewpoints.

I am frustrated that I can not express my idea well using a translation mechanism, but I am pleased if I could feel something at all.


There are various ways to climb the mountain.

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