How is a 265/75/16 illegal it's the standard size tire???

 

Reakon I'll stick with my standard 31's

Thanks for sharing the info, definitely gives people something to think about when considering putting bigger Tyres on, and the consequence should they need to claim insurance after an accident.


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The 265/75/16 are not the tyres the Patrol was bought out with. Look on the tyre placard, 265/70/16 is the tyre and in S.A you can only go up 15mm from original size tyre.


cheers DD.

PS. explained to us last night was an insurance case where a 4x4 driver had oversize tires on and no engineers report and approval when the guy hit the car. the out come was the guy he hit was made a quadrapeadic (Spelling) it was proven that the 4x4 would have stopped before impact if it had the legal size tyres on.
The insurance company of the injured guy was able to sue the driver for the 4 million the guy was awarded and had a claim on 15 to 20% of his earnings for the rest of his life and the sale of any major assets.

worth thinking about.

 

The 265/75/16 are not the tyres the Patrol was bought out with. Look on the tyre placard, 265/70/16 is the tyre and in S.A you can only go up 15mm from original size tyre.
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I love this chit mongering but here are some fact for you:
What happens when your Patrol comes with 275/65 R17 which is actually 31.1" and you replace the friggin things with 265/75 R16 which is 31.6" which equals to exactly to 1.8 % larger and still in within alleged 15 mm limit.

That alleged case with guy and the claim against him oughta have better lawyer because no way in the world anyone can prove such a claim that had he had OEM tyres fitted there would be no accident. I call :bs: this is the same as "the speed kills" shyte we are being bombarded every day! How about "not paying full attention" when driving is responsible for road accidents/crashes. We all seem to be preoccupied with everything else but driving when we drive our vehicles.

As for the engineer report/plate I can only smell a rat someone is trying to take advantage here. You wanna stop on time with bigger wheels/tyres than engineering plate ain't gonna do it! Bigger brakes will.
Here is a question, so your Patrol comes with 265/70 R16 yet another one comes with 275/65 R17 and they both have same brakes straight from Mr Nissan and the wheels/tyres aka 1.5% bigger/smaller respectively. For some reason Mr Nissan seem to be OK with bigger wheels/tyres?!?!

 

What did they say about overall lift? I believe it's 2 inches total in SA. I'm about to put a 2 inch lift in but already have tyres which are 13mm bigger then stock which means I would technically be 6.5mm over legal lift.

 

WHAT THE
Does this include GQs?

Ridiculous. Even if you get the engineer certification, how does this still prove "YEP CAUSE HE HAS THE ENGINEER MOD APPROVAL HE CAN NOW STOP IN TIME THANKFULLY HE PAID MORE MONEY TO BEAURACY"?
All I see in this case is another money grab, more denying us the right to freely explore Australia outback and parks, blah blah blah.

 

Interestingly also I recently had a rear window replaced under insurance. As it was tinted I was able to get it retinted for free.
The guy at O'Brien said that it is now legal to have ambulance tint on the back windows of your car.
I asked the window tinting guy (different person) and he said no - the same old rules apply and you can get defected for it.
He did mention that he had put it on some of the guys from my works personal cars by request, so I guess you can get away with it, although its not legal.

As you mentioned tho in the case of liability- if I had ambulance tint and didn't see a cyclist riding the wrong way down a one way street I'm probably in more trouble than Russell crowe in a phone shop. (Those following the other thread will get what I mean.

One of the main reason I don't go pushing stuff on my car, apart from the cost of it all, is that if it defects my car I know that insurance will try everything to get out of paying.. And it could be a big bill if you hit a masarati or a shop front.. Let alone as you mentioned injure someone.. And those lawyers are basterds .. See the ads on TV? They would have ya guts for garters.

Tyres and lift are easy to spot and defect without engineering. I saw a guy on 4wdtv tonight from SA with a 4" lifted patrol and he had it engineered.

Not sure how that other guy from here would get that 4.2 conversion into a newer car engineered without it being dodgey. Even then, in an accident will they test these things out? Probably ..

Do you know what's involved in getting the 33's engineered? Do they change other stuff on the car? Would be interesting to hear what you get for the dosh.

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sorry dbl post.

 

If I was going to get it engineered, I would prefer 4inch lift and 35's

 

Can't engineer tyres

SA must be a land of horse sht because 285/75R16 is legal elsewhere.

 

Does this also mean that now there has been an info night, more 4wd's will be getting defected?

 

smells like BS to me....there is a member of this forum who would be able to clear it up for us. Let me PM him.

Cheers

 

The 15mm DIA increase/decrease rule is still applicable so check your placard and go from there there are a multiple of tyre sizing websites that will help you but the standard GU IV can indeed legally fit 265/75/16 tyres as my old placard was 275/65/17.

The interesting thing is how they allow for tyre wear ??? with muddies having around 19mm tread depth and half worn is still a change of 19mm so that would be the interesting part.

Maybe Bulla Bryant can shed some light if he still trolls this forum, he generally provide the best info here and for anyone that knows what he does for a living can attest to.

Cheers

 

Bulla Bryant can shed some light if he still trolls this forum, he generally provide the best info here and for anyone that knows what he does for a living can attest to

Paul would be about the only person that could bring some facts to all this other misinformation.

Haven't seen him on here for a while.

 

I noticed a few people are comparing 275/65R17s to 265/75R16s

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression you could not reduce the wheel diameter? IE go from 17s to 16s?

 

You can on my mob at the will post a link shortly

 

Had a bo peep and it doesn't mention rim sizing per se but does indicate we cant reduce brake size/braking force etc.

Can only glean from that as long as don't affect the brakes adversely rim size changing should be fine but the whole tyre size rule comes into play.

Will keep sniffing about the place

 

In SA you can run any rim size you want as long as overall change in rolling diameter of tyre is no less or greater then 15mm.

 

All the information for SA is available on the transport website. I can't see any misinformation in this thread.

For wheels and tyres
http://sa.gov.au/subject/Transport,.../Vehicles+and+registration/Vehicle+standards+and+modifications/Wheels+and+tyres

For suspension
http://sa.gov.au/subject/Transport,...es+and+registration/Vehicle+standards+and+modifications/Suspension+modification

 

The overall diameter of a wheel and tyre fitted to a vehicle must not be more than 15 mm greater than the largest tyre size listed on the tyre placard and not more than 15 mm less than the smallest tyre size listed on the placard.

There you go. Put 33's on and you are running a risk.

The raising of a vehicle is not generally recommended due to the cornering and braking instability that may result.

Often vehicles are raised because the owner wants to fit large wheels and tyres that would otherwise contact the mudguards.

In these cases the wheels and tyres may themselves be unacceptable.

The body of a vehicle can be raised by up to 50 mm by fitting spacer blocks between the vehicle chassis and body at their mounting points.

The blocks must be manufactured from steel, aluminium, or metal. It is important to note that a total lift of more than 50 mm requires prior approval and a report from a chartered professional engineer (PDF 104KB)

In some cases the steering shaft may have to be extended and longer brake hoses fitted.

If the original steering components are altered or replaced, prior approval will be required from Vehicle Standards.

A roadworthiness inspection will also be required.

The vehicle must not be raised by the use of extended or adjustable shackle plates.

Vehicle ride height can be increased by any combination of the following methods:

relocating a leaf spring on the opposite of an axle to that of the vehicle manufacturer
spacer blocks mounted above or below the coils spring or mounted between the top of the suspension strut and vehicle body
wedges or blocks located between the coils.


So raised springs isn't acceptable either... Just blocks...

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The overall diameter of a wheel and tyre fitted to a vehicle must not be more than 15 mm greater than the largest tyre size listed on the tyre placard and not more than 15 mm less than the smallest tyre size listed on the placard.

Bugger so what if I buy a new set of tyres that have 16mm deep tread? That has increased the overall diameter by 32mm or compared to a worn out standard tyre with still has 5mm, it is still now 22mm bigger with the SAME tyre size.

I have had an old and new ATZ next to each other and there is a huge difference in actual size.

If they are really going to be that pedantic, what is next.



Oh and Dronus4x4, I am just about to park my tractor in the drive for a while so I can take the missus on a cruise ship in the Med. Is there anyone in particular wearing a skivy and boat shoes that you would like me to push overboard for you?

 

That is truly disappointing hey Kinda brings you in line with all your shut gates

 

Yes it does....

 

Yep.

I'll said it once and I'll say it again.

SA is run by a bunch of latte sipping, skivvy wearing, boat shoe dancing poofters who consider "a great adventure" a cruise ship or any destination not in our own country.

These eastern suberb living toorack tractor driving idiots have no idea what its like to spend time with their family and friends in a remote location around a campfire unless Jeeves is serving broccoli florets on a white linen out door catered event.

Its crap but what can we do??



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exactly mate most muddies have around 19mm of tread so at half worn you lost 19mm

YMMV

 

265x75/16 should be legal on a GU everywhere in Australia.
You have allways been able to engineer tyres in SA.

 

I have not replied as yet, just waiting for the thats crap, I smell a rat, is some trolling bull sh*t that some carry on about without looking into any thing to be over.

Now thats over, Bulla sold his Patrol and drives a Musso now. If he did comment on what I wrote he would agree with me because HE was where the info come from.

As the title said POLICE INFO NIGHT S.A.
Those who know him know this is what he has been doing for the last six years.

I was just pointing out what I found out and as 33" are legal in other states without a engineers report the engineer I spoke to was/could go in and bat for us on these grounds at a reduced fee for the number of around ten Patrols.

The comment about the 33's not stopping in time was based on a test done with standard 265/70/16 tyres and 285/75/16 tyres and how much more the 285 take to stop. This distance was 12mtr. So in relation to the insurance case the lawyer was able to supply evidence that it was reasonable to conclude that if the 265/70/16 were fitted the 4x4 would have stopped 12 mtr shorter, and in this case the 4x4 would not have hit the other car.
I hope you can understand this now.

cheers DD.

 

265 70 16 = 30.6 inches 265 75 16 = 31.6 inches so on a gq would the 265 75 16 be a defect

 

When I find it I'll post the ADR link up here. It says 15mm max but off road vehicles with live axles can go 50mm max diameter larger than the largest factory size, provided they dont rub or foul anywhere at any stage of steering or suspension cycle.
A 50mm increase is only 1" lift overall.