[Kingo]

I noticed in this mornings newspaper that all vehicles firstregistered in Victoria after 1 Jan 2011 must be fitted with Electronic Stability Control. Does this mean that there will be no 2011 plated Nissan GU Patrols registered this year in Victoria? How long before it becomes a national standard?

http://www.carhistory.com.au/news/article.dot?inode=8378

Kingo

 

[camo75]

i was wondering the same things but as yet havnet bothered to look it up.
There must be some sort of exemption for 4b's because the Patrol is not the only one not to have this fitted.
New 70 series wouldnt have it either

 

[chrismav]

http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/general-patrol-discussion-17/es-any-gus-around-world-58634/

this might help

 

[camo75]

thats looks like we just have to wait and see what happens.

Would be a sad way for the Patrol to end

 

[Ray!]

Since ESC utilises the brakes to correct for over/understeer, it may well be possible to include this in the ABS system already on most modern Patrols. It would probably only need a few additional sensors and connected to the ABS, and obviously an upgraded ECU (likely already available for other model Nissans), for it to comply. The Patrol may not be killed off quite so easily.

Cheers

Ray

 

[John&Bec]

Since ESC utilises the brakes to correct for over/understeer, it may well be possible to include this in the ABS system already on most modern Patrols. It would probably only need a few additional sensors and connected to the ABS, and obviously an upgraded ECU (likely already available for other model Nissans), for it to comply. The Patrol may not be killed off quite so easily.

Cheers

Ray

Seems an appropriate time to bring up the old "Put the bloody V6 Diesel in" line.
How many units would sell if that happened!?

 

[Ray!]

Seems an appropriate time to bring up the old "Put the bloody V6 Diesel in" line.
How many units would sell if that happened!?

While adding ESC to the current Patrol won't be a trivial task, changing to a more powerful and different engine can be a whole new world of hurt. The former is almost in place in many respects, the latter will most certainly require many more engineering changes.

Changing an engine (and transmission) means that you're almost building a whole new car because of all the modifications required throughout. The modifications will include changes to the chassis, cooling system, fuel system, electrical system, brakes system, suspension system, body etc.

If Nissan can add ESC to the current model and continue the line, be happy.

Cheers

Ray

 

[chrismav]

Personally I dont think it would be quiet so simple to develop a stability program for a 2.5 tonne live axled vehicle within a cost that will make it worthwhile for our small patrol market. Yes the abs is already there but it is not as simple as plug in a new computer to get a effective system.
If it was a quick and easy fix i think they would already have it on both middle east vehicles and our TI's.
Only time will tell.

btw, you wouldnt want a renault motor in your patrol no matter how good it seems on paper. And you guys think the 3l is bad lol.

 

[LycraMooseKnuckle]

Personally I dont think it would be quiet so simple to develop a stability program for a 2.5 tonne live axled vehicle within a cost that will make it worthwhile for our small patrol market. Yes the abs is already there but it is not as simple as plug in a new computer to get a effective system.
If it was a quick and easy fix i think they would already have it on both middle east vehicles and our TI's.
Only time will tell.

btw, you wouldnt want a renault motor in your patrol no matter how good it seems on paper. And you guys think the 3l is bad lol.

Jeep and Mercedes have been doing stability programs on sold axle 4wds for years now so there would be suitable basic mapping from companies like Bosch available not to mention in this day and age these are software programs that are developed by consultant/contract engineers rather than the manufacturer. It is very possible to do and I have to say doesn't work too bad at all. I view it as a driver aid and now 2 cars later having ESP systems I can honestly say if I were buying a car and it had the option for it I would definitely go out of my way to get that option. It really does have life saving potential, I reckon it might be more important for road safety than airbags.

Trouble is it will help a bad driver do things they shouldn't and in a way can be destructive to driver skill and vehicle handling (It is good enough these days to make a bad driver look good).

 

[Mic]

Trouble is it will help a bad driver do things they shouldn't and in a way can be destructive to driver skill and vehicle handling (It is good enough these days to make a bad driver look good).

Too true.

Driving a big car (i.e.4x4) makes people take more risks as they feel safer. Hence why 4x4s represent a higher percentage of vehicle incidents when compared to the number on the road. ESC etc. will compund this to an extent. But i think it should be on all cars - PARTICULARLY for those with little driving experience. I know in my early days it would have saved me a lot of damaged cars!

 

[Wish I Had Coils]

Not a patrol but related none the less.

Work has bitsaresh*tty tritons, 3 litre turbo diesel. christ the go well once past 3 grand, but back to the topic.
They have a button on the dash to turn off the ASC and traction control .
When the you put the car in low 4 the ABS and ASC and traction turn off, they also have a diff lock that you can turn on but only in low range.

says in the manual that the ASC turns off automatically after speeds above 120.

 

[Nizzbits]

This applies to all passenger cars, off-road passenger vehicles and passenger vans with a compliance/identification plate that has a date of January 2011 or later.

Pretty sure Patrol comes under light commercial not passenger.
I know Kia got exemtion for RIO because there is a whole new model coming before mid year so they got exemption to sell the old ones until a new model comes rather than rooting around with the current model.
Last I heard Nissan had trouble with Tiida and I think they were going to plate them all 2010 if they didn't get exemption through as they left it a bit late to do it. Might have to recheck those facts as I don't know the final outcome of it.

 

[SpiderM]

trouble is it will help a bad driver do things they shouldn't and in a way can be destructive to driver skill and vehicle handling (it is good enough these days to make a bad driver look good).

wrx?

 

[Nizzbits]

btw, you wouldnt want a renault motor in your patrol no matter how good it seems on paper. And you guys think the 3l is bad lol.

AFAIK the V9X is an infinity motor not a froggy one.

 

[rumcajs]

...Driving a big car (i.e.4x4) makes people take more risks as they feel safer. Hence why 4x4s represent a higher percentage of vehicle incidents when compared to the number on the road. ESC etc. will compund this to an extent. But i think it should be on all cars - PARTICULARLY for those with little driving experience. I know in my early days it would have saved me a lot of damaged cars!

I'd disagree a bit in here, as how does driving a bigger car in this case 4WD which can be a handfull to drive, make people take more risks? I know that I take the corners much faster and change lanes more frequently in my small hatchback than when in "trol" as it is more stressful/more work to keep the "trol" on the road. ESP is a dumbing down device the same as ABS/EBS those actually make drivers take more risks when they have the feeling that if the things go iffy the safety systems will bail them out. What saves a lot of damaged cars and lives is driving to road conditions and ones abilities I'd say. :-(Inexperienced drivers given all the technological driving aids might just buy themselves a little bit of time and false sense of security before they are caught out.

 

[Swerve]

AGREED rumcajs

 

[Mic]

I'd disagree a bit in here, as how does driving a bigger car in this case 4WD which can be a handfull to drive, make people take more risks? I know that I take the corners much faster and change lanes more frequently in my small hatchback than when in "trol" as it is more stressful/more work to keep the "trol" on the road.

Taking corners fast is only one of many risks. Many 4x4 drivers will change lanes on top of someone with the 'i'm bigger than you' attitude; pull out in front of people, tailgate... general intimidation tactics. I have noticed this happen MUCH more often when i'm in the GF's corolla - particularly tailgating. Funny that it never really happens when i'm in the troll...

I hate tailgaters, particularly 4x4 driving ones - and WAAAY too many do. A little 'rolla will pull up MUCH faster than a troll, as a mate of mine recently found out .

That's not to say that the majority do all of the above, just that a higher representation of 4x4 drivers drive like this compared to drivers of smaller cars.

But i completly agree with the rest of your statement.

 

[Mrowka]

I drive people crazy by generally driving like an old man. They can pass me if they don't like it.