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Hey everyone
As some of you know im on a lap of the country. While traveling I have had lots of time to think! Think about all sorts of things and one of those things is starting a buisness. When i return home (bunbury, about 1.5hours south of perth) I will be job less.

So if i ever was to start a buisness that time would be the best!?
I have toyed with the idea for awhile now of starting a mobile boilermaker.
My dad has a decent workshop with all the tools which we have bought together (mig, tig welders, grinders etc) so most the outlay for the gear would be done.

So if i buy a ute ill be able to load whatever i need up and take it with me and do whatever people need done.

Does anyone know what other things you will need to get a buisness off the ground (insurance,ABN,buisness cards, etc)

The biggest thing that concerns me is being able to get the work. Do you think this sort of buisness would actually work???
How many people here would find a boilermaker that comes to you,with all the gear usefull?
I also have considered making rearbars? If i could make a jig to fabricate rearbars for different types of cars then i could make them quite quickly and make them affordable.

What do you guys think????
 

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Go for your life. Start a business, there is nothing better than being your own boss (and that's in all facets of life as well.) In this case, good advertising is a must. I'd see what the opposition is doing and copy it. Good Luck.
 

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Good on you mate, good to see someone thinking of giving it a go, you have answered most of your own questions quite well.

Public Liability and possibly Professional Insurance being a very important part (need to shop around otherwise you can be ripped off), we all say that we will be careful and not take any risks but **** happens, I have done a lot of work in various factories around the world and if you "accidentally" burn down a plant you are potentially up for millions.
ABN is cheap and relatively easy and you have it for life. Business cards are so cheap these days I can't believe it but if you want something to stand out from the crowd it will cost you a little more, put a lot of thought into what you want to say in a few words on your card so people know exactly what you are willing to do (a small but significant logo doesn't hurt either), also flyers that can be put out to households and small business that you want to target are quite cheap but need to say exactly what your business stands for.

Is it possible to do a sample test of your area to find out what your target audience may be looking for.

The average person in the public has no idea what a "Boiler Maker" is, so you need to be a bit specific about your services.

In closing, you can also approach the Govt within a business proposal and after putting forward a plan that is accepted you can get assistance in both financial aid and improving your business plan, well worth a look. I know a guy who did the latter for a photographic business and he is 6 months into it now.

Good on you again mate.
 

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Do it, I've resigned from my overseas oil and gas job to further my business at home and be with the kids more, 1.5 weeks to go:)

It will take good PR, word of mouth really does more than anything else

High standards and no bull****, keep in mind, you are not a fly by nighter, you are there for the long term, reputations are ruined overnight

Discipline, loooong hours, flexibility is very important also

If you expect to work 5 8hr days, don't bother, it takes a lot more than that, but it can be very rewarding also

Work in with others, I have another mate who runs a business, we help each other out, also another few guys who work for me for me on their days off (24hr shift workers)

Diversify!

Don't blow all your cash, there is a lot of tax advantages though, my accountant told me years ago when I was early 20's making my 120+k that I should start a business, its far more financially rewarding, I'd have to make 200+ to be as good as a reasonable business......now I make a lot more than that on wages and I'm chucking it in to go back to my business:D
 

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Awsome news bro,

Insurance isnt all that expensive,
Register a good biz name,
Go to crazydomains and register your website name

Use wix.com to make your own website.

Then use google adwords as your advertising,
Spend bout 50 bux a week for the first week, then go down to 25 a week there on!!

Look up all potentioal stream bizzness ops in the yellow pages, and call/ email/ fax ... Fkn everyone,
Door knock whenever you go to a job and after!!!

Fukn great news bro
 

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Thanks guys sounds like its worth a shot! Im happy to do the long hours and my dad is a boily by trade as well and retired so he will be willing to help me out if i ever do!

Ive been thinking anout a buisness name but havnt come up woth anything good yet so im open to suggestions???
 

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I knew a bloke up here who specialised in metal gates and fences. Did well out of it too and is now retired.
 

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Whats your market? Whats your costs? your sales? Whats your business plan? most fail in two years or less
 

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Whats your market? Whats your costs? your sales? Whats your business plan? most fail in two years or less
Thats the reason im asking now. I have another 6-12 months on the road before i get back so i can work this sort of stuff out now with hopefully some help.
Il try answer you question though
My market: local fabrication shops overload work, contracting to local companies. And the general public- fabricating and repairing anything that anyone needs.
Costs: insurance,advertising,fuel, intital outlay for steal and consumables.
Sales: anything anyone needs that i am able to do.
Business plan: ill need to look into what a buisness plan is!
 

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Start lean and mean until you are established.
Visit local small business centre for free professional advice and assistance. Join local business association.
Network, network, network. Your business networks, family, friends and Patrol 4x4 forum are your greatest assets in business
 

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Start lean and mean until you are established.
Visit local small business centre for free professional advice and assistance. Join local business association.
Network, network, network. Your business networks, family, friends and Patrol 4x4 forum are your greatest assets in business
Ewan makes a good point regarding P4x4, there are plenty of members from W.A, and I'd say a fair few more who know people over there. If you make yourself known to members here then you could very easily pick up work from the forum, or from members speaking to mates etc that need work done.

So, if you want to start a poo flinging match, do it with someone who isn't from W.A ;)
 

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Fourby's are the flavour of the month at the moment and there's so many new fabricators popping up in Perth. Most of them are useless, inexperienced and unprofessional, but they're still in buisness lol. So much work out there to grab a hold of, and the broader your range of work the better, some people seem to limit they're target market by calling themselves "Jamie's custom 4x4 fab" of something like that. But metal is metal and being able to weld anything from gates to bullbars will certainly help.

Only problem I can see with mobile work is are they usually small jobs? Is there much profit in doing jobs worth couple hundred bucks?

I see requests pop up almost daily on Facebook for random fab jobs in Perth, looking for little things like a like bracket welded here or a crack welded up, or installing weld on kit pieces, even welding on nuts to broken / siezed bolts etc
 

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There should be a few earthmoving contractors or forestry in that area that would use a mobile boily.
And as Jamie said, can only but try worst case it don't work and you find a job
 

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Thanks guys.
I see where your coming from Jamie. The rearbar idea was only a thought if i didnt have any other work to go on with. It would only be worth it if i made like 25 at once then i would fabricate 1 for the R&D and get all the bits laser cut out and make a jig so i just sit everyhing in there and tack it all together. That way it wont cost the customer 3k for a simple rearbar.
I would rather stay away from cars but if theres a hole in the market ill be willing to fill it.

I dont mind the idea of doing small jobs. If I charge about $75ph and add abit extra for whatever steal and consumables i use. Then it wont break there bank and ill be able to get by. Im not out to get rich, just want to pay off my mortage and play with my patrol, just getting sick of spending 10-12 hours a day in a workshop away from my family when i could be on more money working for myself and get to drive around abit.
 

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Also another handy tip is work out what sort of wage you want then add in tax.

So for example you want gross $75,000pa. Thats your goal of course at this stage.

Assume you might take time off, potentially a luxury but still worthy of consideration.

So 75,000/48 = $1,562.5 per week.

1562.5/5 = $312.50 (assume work 5 days a week at least)

312.5/8 = $39.06 / hour lets call it $40/hr.(assume for sake of argument 8 hours of paid work not necessarily working only 8 hours a day)

Now running a business incurs all sorts of other costs so to cover that you need to say at least $60 per hours if not $80 per hour.

So thats 60-$80/hr 5 days a week to cover costs and make your goal of $75,000 pa.

These figures are indicative and don't take into account numerous tax deductions and many other things but it does give you an idea of how much paid work you will need to do to make money.

There is also money when you mark up the materials you use but no real way to estimate quantity of materials so you can only start with hours of paid work.

Cheers

Justin
 

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There is also money when you mark up the materials you use but no real way to estimate quantity of materials so you can only start with hours of paid work.

Cheers

Justin
Very important that

There is 2 ways to make reasonable money in business.

Labour

Materials

Labour means hiring people and that is a mega pain in the arse, selling stuff on the other hand is great!

I learnt from a plumber I knew, when I asked him how he does so well....roofs and water tanks, 15k roof, 10% markup, $1500 profit, plus add labour, 6k in water tanks.....you get the idea
 

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Only hint I can give is stay away from mates rates work.
Mates can get your name out there, but they can suck you dry also.
 

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Only hint I can give is stay away from mates rates work.
Mates can get your name out there, but they can suck you dry also.
I'd disagree with that, I do a lot of mates rates, especially in my community, local school, mens shed, bowling club, pony club, cfa, parks mob etc etc....its great for reputation, repeat work and word of mouth

Mates mooching of ya...depends if there is anything in it for you, being used and barter are 2 different things
 

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Yeah I was probably being a bit general, but yes more the being used.
Are you smaller town based? If so your definitely on to how the system works.
 

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Yeah I was probably being a bit general, but yes more the being used.
Are you smaller town based? If so your definitely on to how the system works.
Quite rural yep. works well, people just ring and ask to get job done, rarely every quote anything small, reputation is worth it all........and I certainly don't get it with charm:)
 
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