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Do you believe man is the major contributer to climate change?

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    Votes: 34 41.5%
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There's two points to be made here.

The first - yes, thanks kindly to all of our science deniers on all levels, it is too late.

The second - our children really should be as frightened as it is possible to be, and sadly they are. Because yes, the science deniers who have done this to our/their children will be dead and buried when it really starts to get going.

So, thanks, science deniers, for your efforts. You have really dug deep to ensure that we're screwed, and you should be proud of yourself because you have absolutely won your little war.

The Phrryic Victory of Phrryic Victories.
'We'll all be rooned' said Hanrahan. Scaring kids with info that isn't totally proven, no matter what you say, is not the way forward. Anyone who calls people who don't cling tenaciously to the climate change religion deniers really don't understand the whole concept. I don't know anyone who doesn't think the climate is changing it is the degree that we differ on, we have already undergone specific insults here, I do not subscribe to the Chicken Little concept.

If the truth be known, it may lie somewhere between your 'catastrophic' scenario and my 'Hang on it's not that bad scenario' and then we work our way through it.

There are plenty of smart, well educated scientists, etc, etc, etc, who disagree with your outlook, I'm just a dumb Engineer who reads up on things from both sides.
 

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That idiot = Tim Flannery, the same who to prove that the ice was melting took a ship to the Antartica and got frozen in then had to be rescued. I don’t think any of his prophesies have come true.
I will raise you one idiot with another...... I am now of to mow the lawn (again).

 

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I will raise you one idiot with another...... I am now of to mow the lawn (again).

Did my lawn again today too
It won’t stop growing


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There's two points to be made here.

The first - yes, thanks kindly to all of our science deniers on all levels, it is too late.

The second - our children really should be as frightened as it is possible to be, and sadly they are. Because yes, the science deniers who have done this to our/their children will be dead and buried when it really starts to get going.

So, thanks, science deniers, for your efforts. You have really dug deep to ensure that we're screwed, and you should be proud of yourself because you have absolutely won your little war.

The Phrryic Victory of Phrryic Victories.
hahahahahaha, sorry mate, even those (in charge of countries) who embrace climate change have done very little.

I remind you of Germany, who went down that road a long time ago are not meeting emissions targets, they just get to write a lot of it off because they (all the EU) can claim burning bio mass is carbon neutral, when it isn't. If you counted it in they have increased emissions, not reduced it...

Why Aren't Renewables Decreasing Germany's Carbon Emissions?

Carbon Loophole: Why Is Wood Burning Counted as Green Energy?
 

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There's two points to be made here.

The first - yes, thanks kindly to all of our science deniers on all levels, it is too late.

The second - our children really should be as frightened as it is possible to be, and sadly they are. Because yes, the science deniers who have done this to our/their children will be dead and buried when it really starts to get going.

So, thanks, science deniers, for your efforts. You have really dug deep to ensure that we're screwed, and you should be proud of yourself because you have absolutely won your little war.

The Phrryic Victory of Phrryic Victories.
1. You’re welcome, you can thank me in the future

2. since it’s too late, can you get the rest of your doomsday cult to shut up now.

3. now we all agree we can’t stop climate change can we concentrate on mitigation and adaptation, like we should have from the start.

4. I will listen to climate scientists when they give up their data for other scientists to validate. Until Mann and the BOM hand over all data related to the modelling of climate change, they can’t call themselves scientists

Oh and 5. Hahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaaa
 

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So you believe it's happening and we need to mitigate and adapt, but you don't believe it's happening. Interesting position.

Anyway, here you go - it'll cost you $200, but then you can send the data you want to the scientist/s of your choosing. I'm sure they'll work for free to give you the interpretation you want, unlike those rent-seeking climate scientists who swan around in AMG Mercs and McLarens when they aren't holidaying in the Maldives :LOL:

 

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Really, give it up. You are wrong, deal with it.
 

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It seems that 'Opinion' regarding climate change is the go-to, the fall-back, the last resort - the sole dominion of the science deniers. 'Opinion' is their be-all and end-all. And 'Evidence' is just some word that those educated people use, and not relevant to the topic at hand.

'Opinion'. When used in the correct context, such a special word. With one word you can effectively dismiss the collective power of thousands of researchers, zettabytes of data, universities, government research bodies - they got nothin'!

In the future, 'Opinion' probably should replace university education, think of how much money that will save both students and educators.

If Descartes was a Conservative he might have come up with "I think, therefore I am correct, and no amount of evidence can change my mind."


"Michael might say that the science is settled," Senator Molan said.

"And I respect very much scientific opinion but every day across my desk comes enough information for me to say that there are other opinions."

Asked once again to answer the question and "what is the evidence you are relying on?" by Macdonald, the Senator gave an unpopular answer.

"I'm not relying on evidence, Hamish"


And there it is.
 

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So you believe it's happening and we need to mitigate and adapt, but you don't believe it's happening. Interesting position.

Anyway, here you go - it'll cost you $200, but then you can send the data you want to the scientist/s of your choosing. I'm sure they'll work for free to give you the interpretation you want, unlike those rent-seeking climate scientists who swan around in AMG Mercs and McLarens when they aren't holidaying in the Maldives :LOL:

The data that can be purchased from BOM has been homogenised.The BOM wont explain how it has been homogenised. The data is useless.Various volunteers have gone through the homogenised data and posted the anomalies up, I shared some links earlier in the thread. The BOM then had a second run of homogenisation, again with no explanation of what scientific methodology was used other than vague, broadbrush claims of fixing errors.To date, they have refused to release the formulas used to the public, or other scientific bodies. You may call that science, the scientific world doesn't.

I do believe the climate is changing,historical records show there has never been a sustained period in the earths history where there hasn't been change. What hasn't been proven is the rate of change and how it is caused.
 

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Interesting, bit of a read.

 

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Oh, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Just wait till you see your new "standard of living" once climate change really kicks in. You're going to definitely be one of those people.
I'm not sure what alternative you're advocating for Squalo. I'm all ears because I personally dont like waste. I live in a city fuelled by gas, which isnt great but it's not the worst. I could ride my bicycle to work and get household PV solar. Both of those would slightly reduce my personal CO2 if we ignore what it cost to produce the batteries, PV and bicycle.

I've seen first hand the redtape thrown up by the arms of the NTG when it comes to opening a PV station. In fact I'd say it's easier to get approval to open cut mine it than to do a PV o_O it seems DME is/was happy to give go aheads so long as you pay the lease fee!!

Whether you or I like it or not, we are currently dependent on fossil fuels and apart from small off grid projects we all are for the foreseable future. We worship it as stated in the video. You are discussing this in a forum dedicated to burning hydrocarbons (driving some of the least efficient vehicles on Aussie roads)
 

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What alternative? That's easy - the one that our government has been ignoring for 6+ years, transition towards a zero emission economy. They have literally done nothing of substance. In fact, we have not only lost at least those six years, we've actually accelerated our emissions per capita.

The constant refrain from science deniers is that the cost of transition is too much, and the economy will be ruined. My point is that the cost of doing nothing is already well on its way to shading the cost of transition; a point made 11 years ago and wilfully ignored by the LNP.



Had we taken the initiative back when we first understood how critical it was to act, we'd be in a much better position now. And there's no excuse whatsoever - the science deniers cannot claim that they didn't know how this was going to go, because the evidence* clearly predicted it.

Get used to seeing increasingly destructive environmental impacts, because that's what the science deniers have bequeathed to the rest of us.


* Evidence - the opposite of Opinion
 

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Ross Garnaut? lolololol, the economist lololol, ran gold mines in PNG lolololol.
 

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And that makes the 2008 Garnaut Climate Change Review and its recommendations incorrect because?

Any thoughts on the potential for the 2019/2020 fires to wipe up to 1% off Australian GDP? The cost of the follow-on health effects from smoke inhalation, and the potential impact of climate-change related litigation?

Or we're just loling?
 

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GarnautLololololololol. One more for good luck, lol. Personally I wouldn't take any notice of a word Garnaut says, he has form. If that makes me a redneck #### then so be it.

Far from what the climate change religious are prophesying it isn't the end of the world, that is still a long way off. Unless of course WW3 comes along.

OMG, the RBA has already said the fires and corona virus will have no lasting effect, short term.

Rebuilding will create work and even the timber industry will see good movement, forrests are coming back already. I was up at Crows Nest on the weekend only a month or so ago it was threatened by a massive bush fire that came in from Pechey (oh BTW that was arson, I spoke to locals while there), everything is coming back grandly, even the stumps of big trees that were purposely felled during and after are sprouting shoots, don't underestimate the power of nature.

Oh my sides are hurting from laughter, did you know that cancer alone (not caused by fires) could cost society $70,000,000,000 a year within 10 years
 

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GarnautLololololololol. One more for good luck, lol. Personally I wouldn't take any notice of a word Garnaut says, he has form. If that makes me a redneck #### then so be it.

Far from what the climate change religious are prophesying it isn't the end of the world, that is still a long way off. Unless of course WW3 comes along.

OMG, the RBA has already said the fires and corona virus will have no lasting effect, short term.

Rebuilding will create work and even the timber industry will see good movement, forrests are coming back already. I was up at Crows Nest on the weekend only a month or so ago it was threatened by a massive bush fire that came in from Pechey (oh BTW that was arson, I spoke to locals while there), everything is coming back grandly, even the stumps of big trees that were purposely felled during and after are sprouting shoots, don't underestimate the power of nature.

Oh my sides are hurting from laughter, did you know that cancer alone (not caused by fires) could cost society $70,000,000,000 a year within 10 years
Agree with the rebuilding part of what you say but the timber industry (NSW) is on it knees. I am a service provider to the saw milling industry from Grafton to the QLD border. My services are not required for who knows how long. A pine log mill at Rappville which employs 150 people is completely gone. You are looking at least a two year rebuild time frame. The owners are promising to rebuild but do not know yet if they have a resource to mill. Hurfords hardwood which has mills at Casino, Kyogle, Lismore and Kempsey have let all their casual workforce go due to lack of logs.


I would say the Victorian timber industry would be much the same.

Regardless of the how the fires were lit this is having a massive effect on the local fire affected economies.
 

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Agree with the rebuilding part of what you say but the timber industry (NSW) is on it knees. I am a service provider to the saw milling industry from Grafton to the QLD border. My services are not required for who knows how long. A pine log mill at Rappville which employs 150 people is completely gone. You are looking at least a two rebuild time frame. The owners are promising to rebuild but do not know yet if they have a resource to mill. Hurfords hardwood which has mills at Casino, Kyogle, Lismore and Kempsey have let all their casual workforce go due to lack of logs.


I would say the Victorian timber industry would be much the same.
Absolutely not all will, The woodchip mill at Eden that suffered severe damage are saying they will be back in business https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-20/eden-woodchip-mill-counting-the-cost-of-border-bushfire/11880718say I saw a news item on plantation forests that suffered through bushfires and what they were saying was the trees need to be harvested within 12 months or the timber will be no good for anything Billion-dollar timber industry under threat as millions of pine trees ravaged by bushfire For sure there will be a downturn in many areas but hopefully backup ASAP, I have a mate in Vic who drives log trucks.
 

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Agreed but it is the long term I and others are looking at.

From your link.....

But the question on everyone's lips is: what long-term impact will there be?

"We've had a very honest conversation with our team about our job over the next 12 months and what the future beyond that is," Mr Green said.

"We've been upfront about the fact that we just don't know.

"We know we've lost 30 per cent of our forests but we don't know what that means after we get through the next year or so."

Mr Anderson said Forestry Corporation was committed to replanting and rebuilding the multi-billion dollar sector but was realistic about the fact that a shortage of timber, woodchips, and paper looms.

"There'll be a bit of a hiatus, probably around the two to three-year mark," he said.

"It won't be a full cessation — we'll just be able to generate less — and that's what we've got to work out, the scale of that reduction.
 

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I certainly hope it works out for you. I'm the eternal optimist, I think we will get there with a concerted effort.
 
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