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My DIL runs a public hospital covid19 ward. Fortunately it's in Darwin and currently has no patients in it so she is mostly doing her normal duties but is also training staff on best practice procedures and trying to stay up to date on latest developments. She does not work in the Victorian health system but she is in regular contact with people that do and this is her take on the current situation there.

I asked what is going on with Vic hospitals refusing admission of covid patients from nursing homes? She says that is utter BS unless you call refusing to babysit patients that aren't particularly sick "refusing admission". Nursing homes might not want them wandering about but hospitals don't want them wandering about either. A number of people want all covid positive patients moved from nursing homes into hospitals but most of these patients are not particularly sick and unless there is a political decision to do this the hospitals don't want a bar of it. The hospitals are places to treat sick people, not places to quarantine people with a sore throat. When sick people need to be quarantined they will do that but entertaining bored dementure sufferers is not what hospitals do. Nursing homes might not have the best facilities to quarantine large numbers of covid positive residents but the hospitals don't have facilities to quarantine large numbers of patients that aren't sick either.

What about the seriously ill ones? Any that are seriously ill are immediately accepted into the public hospital system however many patients that are of advanced age and poor health have chosen to have their medical files marked "Not for ventilation or resuscitation". That is a personal choice by those patients and there is nothing that hospitals can do for them that can't be done in the nursing home.

What hospitals have refused covid patients from nursing homes? A number of private hospitals have, some of which were previously taking covid patients but have now closed their covid wards due to staff shortages. These hospitals are refusing all covid positive patients, not just ones from nursing homes. The public hospitals all have procedures on receiving covid patients and that includes from nursing homes. Patients may get moved from one hospital with fewer covid facilities to larger hospitals with better covid facilities but no serious ones are refused treatment regardless of where they come from.
 

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This is the full article from Neil Mitchel 3AW interviewing Dr Robert Hoffman, the attending doctor for 8 Vic nursing homes.

His first hand account must clearly be wrong.

He should take his advice from a interstate nurse who hasn't dealt with the virus.
 

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I agree.

State issue as they are in control but there should have been something done a federal level within the emergency bills passed to protect the elderly in care.

A failure all around.

Just about stabbed a guy the other day who said they should just let them die as old people were of no use anymore.

Probably would have if I had a sharper knife (I was having lunch at a pub when I overheard his comment).

Young twat better hope he dies young before someone younger says the same to him.
 
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Young twat better hope he dies young before someone younger says the same to him.
Some people a little more influential than him have used that line. 😉
 

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DB-101, a little disappointed you haven't reported on the WA state vs Clive Palmer debacle.
I didn't catch it all but Clive is suing WA for 30 billion. Yes 30 billion.
Seems as though Clive is in the right as the WA government is pushing through a bill to negate their responsibility.

Imagine having a government not held to account by the law.

Be like living in Vic
 

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Wont be in WA much longer so not really interested.

But I'm in two minds on whole Palmer thing.

1st is his thing to get into WA during the border closure.
This is political and nothing to do with health and the WA Govt should be taken to task over it.
When he wanted to come he met all the criteria for coming, the same criteria as some 500 people a day come into WA with (2 weeks ago there were 2 consecutive days when some 3000 people came through the closed border), but was stopped by McGowan as Palmer would not stay in a govt sponsored hotel.

The thing is he didn't have to as he has a residence in WA.
The same time as that was going on my ex, my daughter and my two grandkids flew into WA from the UK and were allowed to isolate at home and that is no different.
Typical labor, silence all opposition no matter the method or the BS they need to feed the public (if they can get away with it).

Palmer is likely to win that one.

2nd is the 30billion issue. I very much doubt he will win that one. The South Balmoral project was stopped in its tracks, even after the initial green light to proceed with the site works and start up before the full EPA assessment was completed.
(from what I have read the project was still being assessed under Part IV (Environmental Factors and Objectives) of the Environmental Protection Act 1986 and the joint WA / Federal Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999.)
And found that the plan had "major environmental, port development, safety and asbestos issues and was not a professional or competent way to proceed with such a complex project" that would be right on the coast within the Dampier Marine Park. He was given a couple of years to address the issues, but didn't. So it was dead in the water.
And, the 30billion only comes into it 'IF' he could sell it to Chinese company, who owned the adjacent Cape Preston project and who's parent company is CITIC Group that he was already in the high court with, so there was never any guarantee of that. So he does not have a leg to stand on.
Fat boy screwed it up, he needs to live with it.

And he pretty much did, until McGowan blocked him coming.
Lard ass being lard ass and running people in the soon to be held state election and he sees it as a way to get exposure here, given that McGowan has limited political spending for all (except labor of course as they don't see the union spending on their behalf as actual labor spending even though you can not be in labor unless you are a union member)...

I very much doubt that the emergency bill that McGowan shoved through parliament yesterday is not going to stand up to a high court challenge for several reasons (after the fact being just one). And the bill should be very concerning for all all Australia people who thinks govts should be accountable, which means conservatives lol.

But palmer, who lists litigation as one of his favourite pastimes, is happy to waste taxpayer money in court over it all to gain exposure.

It's all political football at the moment as far as I am concerned.
 

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Hopefully fat man will have a heart attack and croak.

He is not someone I care for all all.
 
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I guess she got a bit worried about the repercussions of the bill.

It has been withdrawn.

Still, the bill was not surprising in the first place.

I have said it before, labor will do anything and everything to stifle all opposition or block any scrutiny of their actions.

It's what socialists do.
 
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lol, seems I only see suppression and public scrutiny moves through bills in state parliaments coming from the left.

McGowan, emergency bill against palmer will still be in place long after fat boy is dead. Problem is that it extinguishes the legal liability of anyone connected to the State Government going from this point on.

The bill states.
No document or other thing, and no oral testimony, connected with a protected matter is admissible in evidence, or can otherwise be relied upon or used, in any proceedings in a way that is against, or against the interests of, any of the following —
the State;
a person who is a former State authority, if the
proceedings are connected with —
(i) the person’s conduct while and as a State authority; or
(ii) otherwise the person’s role while and as a State authority;
a State agent;
a person who is a former State agent, if the
proceedings are connected with —
(i) the person’s conduct while and as a State agent; or
(ii) otherwise the person’s role while and as a State agent.
No document or other thing connected with a protected matter can be required to be discovered, provided, produced, made available for inspection or disclosed in any proceedings or otherwise under a written law.
No person is compellable, or can be required, in any proceedings or otherwise under a written law, to do any of the following (whether orally, in writing or in any other way) —
(a) discover, provide, produce, make available for inspection or disclose a document or other thing connected with a protected matter;
(b) answer a question connected with a protected matter.
provide information connected with a protected matter.
(d) give any other type of testimony or evidence connected with a protected matter.

And the govt gets to decide what is a protected matter.

Palaszczuk, see above.

Andrews, (from earlier this year) The Victorian government has used its numbers in an emergency sitting of Parliament to thwart opposition parties' calls for more scrutiny of the state's coronavirus pandemic response. (obviously it did not get them far)

Need I go on?
 

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It is sky news so a good chance it is made up.

Journalists (left or right leaning) and politicians "will do anything and everything to stifle all opposition or block any scrutiny of their actions".

No your confusing the left media who don't report on it.
 

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No your confusing the left media who don't report on it.
Lol. Cannot get any more left than the ABC.


"spectacular backflip"

Need I go on? Edit maybe I will.

 

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This is the full article from Neil Mitchel 3AW interviewing Dr Robert Hoffman, the attending doctor for 8 Vic nursing homes.

His first hand account must clearly be wrong.

He should take his advice from a interstate nurse who hasn't dealt with the virus.
It seems an interstate nurse is not the only one worried about aged care residents that aren't particularly sick clogging up hospital beds desperately needed by genuine patients.

 

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lol, and so it starts, WA is going down the slippery slope of totalitarianism.

With the recent emergency bill attempt to head off Palmer, by making the govt immune to any challenges, if anyone could not see this coming under WA labor it is because they can't see past their own noses due to the rose tinted glasses they wear.

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The State Government has drafted legislation to give it power to bypass Parliament and change laws with the stroke of a pen.
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All done under the cover of the covid emergency.

Very reminiscent of hitler and his emergency decrees after the self set Reichstag fire.
 
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Seems the plot thickens.

Dan Andrews is again at odds, this time with the police force.
Dan's quote of 1 in 4 breaking quarantine leading to stage 4 restriction was actually an over exaggeration. According to the police it was less than 1%.
 
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