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Do you support a 'founding nations voice' in parliament

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I wonder what the female was wearing and how short her dress was? Probably drunk as well? Underpants on? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

These questions should be asked immediately and hopefully they are in full by Sky News.

Oh the fooken irony.......

 

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Smith has form, wonder who will be sitting in Ben’s chair tomorrow morning. Now, about that $3M payout, just line up behind (no peeking) Ms H. 🤔😉🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
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The two are not the same.

One was an amendment to the Competition and Consumer Act, and relates to retail pricing which the "ACCC may use if it reasonably believes a corporation has engaged, or is engaging, in prohibited conduct in the electricity sector".

And so it should, ripping people off by retail market manipulation, energy retailer collusion, confusing scheduling etc, should be a crime.

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Mr Taylor said the direct market offer would also act as a reference price, requiring energy retailers to advertise their standing and market offers against a common benchmark.

Under the changes which would come into effect July 1, retailers can offer a price above the reference price but they need to be transparent with their customers as to why the offer is higher.

"As promised, by 1 July, we will see the end of the loyalty tax and the misleading use of discounts to attract customers. The government did not take lightly the decision to introduce the default market offer and reference price," Mr Taylor said.

Australian Competition and Consumer Commission chair Rod Sims said the proposed default price would ensure consumers aren't paying excessive prices.

"Retailers should have addressed this problem themselves some time ago but, given they chose not to, it is appropriate for government to act," said Mr Sims who has been particularly critical of retailers deliberately confusing customers with complicated offers and incomparable discounts.
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Morrison government moves to establish de facto price regulation for energy retailers

But it is not a crime to sell what you produce (gas in this case) on the market, at market prices.

You can't compare apples with oranges...

However, in saying that, the gas belongs to all Australians and we should have a reserve policy, like WA, where some of the gas can be sold to the local market that is not influenced by international demand.
 

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The two are not the same.

One was an amendment to the Competition and Consumer Act, and relates to retail pricing which the "ACCC may use if it reasonably believes a corporation has engaged, or is engaging, in prohibited conduct in the electricity sector".

And so it should, ripping people off by retail market manipulation, energy retailer collusion, confusing scheduling etc, should be a crime.

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Mr Taylor said the direct market offer would also act as a reference price, requiring energy retailers to advertise their standing and market offers against a common benchmark.

Under the changes which would come into effect July 1, retailers can offer a price above the reference price but they need to be transparent with their customers as to why the offer is higher.

"As promised, by 1 July, we will see the end of the loyalty tax and the misleading use of discounts to attract customers. The government did not take lightly the decision to introduce the default market offer and reference price," Mr Taylor said.

Australian Competition and Consumer Commission chair Rod Sims said the proposed default price would ensure consumers aren't paying excessive prices.

"Retailers should have addressed this problem themselves some time ago but, given they chose not to, it is appropriate for government to act," said Mr Sims who has been particularly critical of retailers deliberately confusing customers with complicated offers and incomparable discounts.
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Morrison government moves to establish de facto price regulation for energy retailers

But it is not a crime to sell what you produce (gas in this case) on the market, at market prices.

You can't compare apples with oranges...

However, in saying that, the gas belongs to all Australians and we should have a reserve policy, like WA, where some of the gas can be sold to the local market that is not influenced by international demand.
Yes, that should apply to the whole country and it's got me forked why it wasn't written into law! ;)

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Yes, that should apply to the whole country and it's got me forked why it wasn't written into law! ;)

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Because states and territory's own the resources, not the Federal Govt so it can not be written into law for the whole country.

The only thing the federal resources minister can do is limit exports, but then only in the event of a critical shortage of gas.
 

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Funny thing is that the Qld gov introduced the Prospective Gas Production Land Reserve (PGPLR) policy in 2009. Under the policy, the state may, when granting a production license, require that any gas produced from an area be supplied domestically. To date, no gas field has been set aside for domestic gas only development.

Pullachook would lose too much tax revenue...
 

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Because states and territory's own the resources, not the Federal Govt so it can not be written into law for the whole country.

The only thing the federal resources minister can do is limit exports, but then only in the event of a critical shortage of gas.
Bit of a contradiction though, seeing as they take taxes from them. They could if they wanted to, implement a measure of guarantee for National supply ahead of export greed or stupidity by State governments. ;)

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Bit of a contradiction though, seeing as they take taxes from them. They could if they wanted to, implement a measure of guarantee for National supply ahead of export greed or stupidity by State governments. ;)

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Taxes are only collected on exports by the feds from land based oil gas, all other taxes go to the state, with the exception of GST, which ultimately goes back to the states anyway.

The Feds get the majority of tax from offshore (which is pretty much WA only, plus a piddling amount from the Bass Strait), and WA has nothing to do with the east coast market.

There is a measure of federal control, commonly known as the gas trigger (Australian Domestic Gas Security Mechanism). The gas trigger is in place to ensure there is a sufficient supply of natural gas to meet the ""forecast"" needs of energy users within Australia. ""If"" there is a forecast supply shortfall in the domestic market, LNG projects may be required to limit their exports or find new gas sources.

So, to trigger the mechanism requires ""predictions"" of insufficient supply, not just higher prices. It is therefore useless for dealing with the sort of short-term issues plaguing the eastern Australian gas markets, and has never been never been used.

There is no forecasted shortfall, so the feds are powerless, albo would have been all over it like shyte on a blanket if there was.

There has been several federal attempts to set an Oz wide reservation policy through COAG by both the Libs and Labor, but ultimately each state has told Canberra to bugger off.
 

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The reality is that the feds do not have any power when it comes to resource reservation …

The Commonwealth gov is responsible for the conduct of national affairs only. Its areas of responsibility are stated in the Australian Constitution and include defence and foreign affairs; international trade, commerce and currency; immigration; postal services, telecommunications and broadcasting; air travel; most social services and pensions.

And have power to raise tax revenue to cover those areas or responsibility, nothing else. Which is why they get the lions share of taxes from offshore oil and gas, it is a resource generated income in federal waters, though the states still own the resource.

They also have a limited responsibility in many things largely carried out by the states, such as health, education, environmental issues, industrial relations, etc. Mainly through formulating guidelines.

Under the Australian Constitution, the States are responsible for everything not listed as a federal responsibility. And includes schools and hospitals; conservation and environment; roads, railways and public transport; public works; mining, agriculture and fishing; industrial relations; community services; sport and recreation; consumer affairs; and police, prisons and emergency services. And raise taxes through state enterprise to cover all that.

We are a country of federated states, and each state has its own constitution setting out its system of government.

To change any of that would require the federal constitution to rewritten, but you would need agreement from all states.

Good luck with that.
 

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Krudd the new US ambassador...

Even though albo said he would not give him the job in the run up to the election, and his past labor MP peers have variously described him as a psychopath, a micromanager and a control freak.

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Labor caucus backers of Kevin Rudd have told colleagues that he will be ''more generous'' to supporters than he was when he was prime minister.
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Leopards don't change their spots, the egotistical little twat will not be a good ambassador and they know it.

Jobs for the boys.
 

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Krudd the new US ambassador...

Even though albo said he would not give him the job in the run up to the election, and his past labor MP peers have variously described him as a psychopath, a micromanager and a control freak.

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Labor caucus backers of Kevin Rudd have told colleagues that he will be ''more generous'' to supporters than he was when he was prime minister.
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Leopards don't change their spots, the egotistical little twat will not be a good ambassador and they known it.

Jobs for the boys.
OMG, WTF, The End is Nigh,
And I mistakenly thought Norm had a reasonable brain.
 

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Probably should put this in the WTF thread, but it is politics. At the Woodford Festival Norm said he doesn't want detail to crowd the voice to parliament debate.
 

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Probably should put this in the WTF thread, but it is politics. At the Woodford Festival Norm said he doesn't want detail to crowd the voice to parliament debate.
Saw that, just like gillard and hawk before him. Preaching to the converted.
 
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