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So insted of the government getting a cut of the cash it all goes to the "owners",
It doesn't matter how much National parks make or lose the lease payment is a guaranteed income for the local aboriginal communities. With National Parks there is never any profit, they alway lose money which gets paid for out of general tax revenue. When you have to include a lease payment on top of all the other losses you just end up with a bigger loss.
So its a money issue you think?
Not entirely, power and authority is an issue as well. That is why the Uluru climb got closed. Just showing who is boss.
 

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Not entirely, power and authority is an issue as well. That is why the Uluru climb got closed. Just showing who is boss.
Hmm seems to me they are getting there way once again, Zimbabwe comes to mind. Gone from the thriving food bowl of africa to nothing in a short amount of time. Prime example of natives getting "whats there's".
God help us if we ever have an indigenous prime minister, which i dont think will be too far. I think a gay prime minister first then an indigenous since we already had a female one..
 

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The best way IMHO is to work with the Original peoples go to them directly, in my experience if you are respectful of the land and them they are happy for you to use it often free of charge.

Considering the indigenous people have be abused, raped, beaten, killed and their land and children stolen since white people arrived here that is the least we can do. Even the name Aboriginal is wrong call them the original people as they are.

Just remember this country was never conquered, no treaty with the people, this means the Westminster system in place is a house of cards and has no legal standing... the only true law here is tribal law so work with the people.
 

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The best way IMHO is to work with the Original peoples go to them directly, in my experience if you are respectful of the land and them they are happy for you to use it often free of charge.

Considering the indigenous people have be abused, raped, beaten, killed and their land and children stolen since white people arrived here that is the least we can do. Even the name Aboriginal is wrong call them the original people as they are.

Just remember this country was never conquered, no treaty with the people, this means the Westminster system in place is a house of cards and has no legal standing... the only true law here is tribal law so work with the people.
So by working with them we also change the day of Australia day to "Invasion day"?
I have a great deal of respect for many of our INDIGENOUS communities here in W.A and i know alot of them too, worked with many aswell many of them get on with there lives without complaining or seeking handouts like others in there community. You talk about abused beaten raped killed i suggest you look elsewhere in the world and see what has happened there and the natives are no where as looked after or spoilt as they are here in oz, im sorry but bieng from africa and seeing what goes on there TO THIS DAY this issue of ORIGINAL owners always infuriates me! I once made the comment to an indigenous mate of mine i said if it wasnt for the "white man" you lot will still be walking around naked in the desert! He said you know what i completely agree.... they get a say fair enough great they are treated well just like the rest of us if not better because of who they are, but this is a case of give an inch take a metre..
 

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The best way IMHO is to work with the Original peoples go to them directly, in my experience if you are respectful of the land and them they are happy for you to use it often free of charge.

Considering the indigenous people have be abused, raped, beaten, killed and their land and children stolen since white people arrived here that is the least we can do. Even the name Aboriginal is wrong call them the original people as they are.

Just remember this country was never conquered, no treaty with the people, this means the Westminster system in place is a house of cards and has no legal standing... the only true law here is tribal law so work with the people.
So how many times do Australians have to apologise? And don't forget that how many "white people" were killed by the British in Australia. Don't forget if the Aboriginals don't like the Westminster system, then maybe they should not take government benefits and if they want the land, maybe they should pay land taxes and do the upkeep of there land. Where would Australia be today if it wasn't for the Europeans and British?
Sorry about that, but I am sick of the BS.
 

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I do not have any issue with the granting of these lands to traditional owners. But my view is that when ownership is granted then further tax payer funded handouts should stop. If they are to be tax payer funded, then we should be able to go there without further expense.

Nice idea, but will never happen. :(
I haven't done any posting for a long time, but still keep an eye on happenings. I totally agree with what you say. They are nowhere near as badly done by now, as they make out. Talk about milking it for all it is worth! And as an earlier post commented, it is time the pollies grew some balls, and learnt to say enough is enough.
 

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The best way IMHO is to work with the Original peoples go to them directly, in my experience if you are respectful of the land and them they are happy for you to use it often free of charge.
That depends on the individual. I've camped at many locations on aboriginal land with the permission of the native custodians for free. As you say, many of them are happy for others to camp, fish and hunt on their land at no charge, they just want to be asked. This used to be quite common but I'd say that is no longer the case, it is now the exception rather than the rule, at least in North Qld. There was a time that to camp at Roaring Meg Falls I would give CJ Fisher a phone call to check it would be fine and we would have a great conversation where he would fill me in on the local weather forcast, road condition of the Creb Track and what the river height was like. CJ is no longer there and it is no longer possible to camp there unless you are black.
Just remember this country was never conquered, no treaty with the people, this means the Westminster system in place is a house of cards and has no legal standing... the only true law here is tribal law so work with the people.
If you don't accept the sovereignty of the Australian government then you can't accept their health services, housing services or unemployment benefits. Nor should you pay them any tax. Accepting the government is sovereign over the land when it suits you but rejecting that sovereignty when it doesn't is completely hypocritical.
 

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The best way IMHO is to work with the Original peoples go to them directly, in my experience if you are respectful of the land and them they are happy for you to use it often free of charge.

Considering the indigenous people have be abused, raped, beaten, killed and their land and children stolen since white people arrived here that is the least we can do. Even the name Aboriginal is wrong call them the original people as they are.

Just remember this country was never conquered, no treaty with the people, this means the Westminster system in place is a house of cards and has no legal standing... the only true law here is tribal law so work with the people.
Yes, well said.
people post ‘get off welfare blah blah!’ Guess what! managing land and offering tours is exactly that, creating employment. You don’t have a right to go on freehold land, private 4x4 parks without following the rules/law etc.

Do some research!, no one wants Australia Day changed to Invasion Day, the campaign was ‘change the date’, for example to day of federation (Birth of Australia) as the 26th of Jan is a reminder of conflict and murder.

And PM Rudd’s apology or ‘Sorry Day’ was for children taken from the families by government laws, and yes this happened to non-indigenous kids as well. These kids were moved to Government And Church run institutions and training grounds for ‘slave’ labour. Hence: slavery and STOLEN WAGES by the states, a private company employed, by Premier Beatty in QLD, estimated this to be $500 million but QLD gov’t offered a payout of only $2000 for a life’s work.
us 4x4 guys would hand tha over for a set of tyres and a few mods!!

The main point here is tread lightly (don’t wreck ****), respect the environment and negotiate entry…, this is already the case for national and state forests AND Freehold adventure parks and farms.
STOP SCAREMONGERING AND REPEATING LIES!!!
AND GET TOGETHER WITH TRADITIONAL OWNERS 9AS A 4X4 COMMUNITY) AND NEGOTIATE A DEAL
& TREAD LIGHTLY
 

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Yes, well said.
people post ‘get off welfare blah blah!’ Guess what! managing land and offering tours is exactly that, creating employment. You don’t have a right to go on freehold land, private 4x4 parks without following the rules/law etc.

Do some research!, no one wants Australia Day changed to Invasion Day, the campaign was ‘change the date’, for example to day of federation (Birth of Australia) as the 26th of Jan is a reminder of conflict and murder.

And PM Rudd’s apology or ‘Sorry Day’ was for children taken from the families by government laws, and yes this happened to non-indigenous kids as well. These kids were moved to Government And Church run institutions and training grounds for ‘slave’ labour. Hence: slavery and STOLEN WAGES by the states, a private company employed, by Premier Beatty in QLD, estimated this to be $500 million but QLD gov’t offered a payout of only $2000 for a life’s work.
us 4x4 guys would hand tha over for a set of tyres and a few mods!!

The main point here is tread lightly (don’t wreck ****), respect the environment and negotiate entry…, this is already the case for national and state forests AND Freehold adventure parks and farms.
STOP SCAREMONGERING AND REPEATING LIES!!!
AND GET TOGETHER WITH TRADITIONAL OWNERS 9AS A 4X4 COMMUNITY) AND NEGOTIATE A DEAL
& TREAD LIGHTLY
In regards to k rudds SORRY DAY, what a load of crap, like mentioned above do you see or know what happens in other places around the world? Again back to africa lots were killed and still it happens and put into slavery i would suggest the numbers are much more greater than we have here, nobody apologised. South africa again used to be a beautiful place until the "NATIVES" got there way now its hard to know whether you will wake up in the morning there!
In regards toINVASION DAY it is a real thing they want to change Australia day. Ffs they get a whole week of NADOC, my kids participate in at school, tell me which other place in the world looks after there natives like we do?
Have you been to any native communities before? I HAVE and its not pretty sight!
Its a two way street living in harmony together that will never happen if THEY always want to play the victims.
 

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In regards to k rudds SORRY DAY, what a load of crap, like mentioned above do you see or know what happens in other places around the world? Again back to africa lots were killed and still it happens and put into slavery i would suggest the numbers are much more greater than we have here, nobody apologised. South africa again used to be a beautiful place until the "NATIVES" got there way now its hard to know whether you will wake up in the morning there!
In regards toINVASION DAY it is a real thing they want to change Australia day. Ffs they get a whole week of NADOC, my kids participate in at school, tell me which other place in the world looks after there natives like we do?
Have you been to any native communities before? I HAVE and its not pretty sight!
Its a two way street living in harmony together that will never happen if THEY always want to play the victims.
Stick to commenting on GQ patrols and Africa, as you clearly don’t know the truth of what happened here
 

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A bit of light reading.


Captain Cook did not arrive in Australia on the 26th of January.

The Landing of Captain Cook in Sydney happened on the 28th of April 1770 – not on the 26th of January 1770. The First Fleet arrived in Botany Bay on the 18th of January. The 26th was chosen as Australia Day for a different reason; however, Captain Cook’s landing was included in Australia Day celebrations as a reminder of a significant historical event.

Since the extravagant bicentenary celebrations of 1988, when Sydney-siders decided Captain Cook’s lbax anding should become the focus of the Australia Day h, the importance of this date for all Australians has begun to fade.

Now, a generation later, it’s all but lost.

This is because our politicians and educators have not been doing a good job promoting the day. Our politicians have not been advertising the real reason for Australia Day, and our educators have not been teaching our children the importance of the 26th of January to all Australians.

The media, as usual, is happy to twist the truth for the sake of controversy.

In recent years, the media has helped fan the flames of discontent among the Aboriginal community. Many are now so offended by what they see as a celebration of the beginning of the darkest days of Aboriginal history, they want the date changed.

Various local Councils are seeking to remove themselves from Australia Day celebrations, even refusing to participate in citizenship ceremonies, and calls are going out to have Australia Day on a different day.

The big question is, why has the Government allowed this misconception to continue?

Captain Cook didn’t land on the 26th of January. So changing the date of any celebration of Captain Cook’s landing would not have any impact on Australia Day, but maybe it would clear the way for the truth about Australia Day.

The reality is, the Aborigines in this country suffered terribly under the hands of British colonialism. This is as much Australia’s history as the landing of the first fleet, and both should be remembered, equally. Both should be taught, side by side, in our schools.

Australians of today abhor what was done under British governance to the Aborigines. We abhor what was done under British governance to the Irish and many other cultures around the world. So, after the horrors of WWII we decided to fix it.

We became our own people.

On the 26th of January 1949, the Australian nationality came into existence when the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948 was enacted. That was the day we were first called Australians and allowed to travel with Passports as Australians.

Under the Nationality Act 1920 (Cth), all Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders born after January 1, 1921 gained the status of British subjects. In 1949, therefore, they automatically became Australian citizens under the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948.

Before that special date, all people living in Australia, including Aborigines born after 1921, were called ‘British Subjects’ and forced to travel on British Passports and fight in British wars.

We all became Australians on the same day!

This is why we celebrate Australia Day on the 26th of January!

This was the day Australians became free to make our own decisions about which wars we would fight and how our citizens would be treated. It was the day Aborigines were declared Australians.

Until this date, Aborigines were not protected by law. For the first time since Cook’s landing, this new Act gave Aboriginal Australians by inference and precedent the full protection of Australian law.

Because of this Act, the government became free to help Aborigines, and since that day much has been done to assist Aboriginal Australians, including saying ‘sorry’ for the previous atrocities done before this law came into being.

This was a great day for all Australians!

This is why the 26th of January is the day new Australians receive their citizenship. It is a day which celebrates the implementation of the Nationality and Citizenship Act of 1948 – the Act which gave freedom and protection to the first Australians and gives all Australians, old and new, the right to live under the protection of Australian Law, united as one nation.

Now, isn’t that cause for celebration?

Education is key! There is a great need for education on the real reason we celebrate Australia Day on the 26th of January. This reason needs to be advertised and taught in schools. We all need to remember this one very special day in Australia’s history, when freedom came to all Australians.

What was achieved that day is something for which all Australians can be proud!

We need to remember both the good and the bad in our history, but the emphasis must be the freedom and unity all Australians now have, because of what was done on the 26th of January 1949, to allow all of us to live without fear in a land of peace.

Isn’t it time all Australians were taught the real reason we celebrate Australia Day on Jan 26th?
 

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A bit of light reading.


Captain Cook did not arrive in Australia on the 26th of January.

The Landing of Captain Cook in Sydney happened on the 28th of April 1770 – not on the 26th of January 1770. The First Fleet arrived in Botany Bay on the 18th of January. The 26th was chosen as Australia Day for a different reason; however, Captain Cook’s landing was included in Australia Day celebrations as a reminder of a significant historical event.

Since the extravagant bicentenary celebrations of 1988, when Sydney-siders decided Captain Cook’s lbax anding should become the focus of the Australia Day h, the importance of this date for all Australians has begun to fade.

Now, a generation later, it’s all but lost.

This is because our politicians and educators have not been doing a good job promoting the day. Our politicians have not been advertising the real reason for Australia Day, and our educators have not been teaching our children the importance of the 26th of January to all Australians.

The media, as usual, is happy to twist the truth for the sake of controversy.

In recent years, the media has helped fan the flames of discontent among the Aboriginal community. Many are now so offended by what they see as a celebration of the beginning of the darkest days of Aboriginal history, they want the date changed.

Various local Councils are seeking to remove themselves from Australia Day celebrations, even refusing to participate in citizenship ceremonies, and calls are going out to have Australia Day on a different day.

The big question is, why has the Government allowed this misconception to continue?

Captain Cook didn’t land on the 26th of January. So changing the date of any celebration of Captain Cook’s landing would not have any impact on Australia Day, but maybe it would clear the way for the truth about Australia Day.

The reality is, the Aborigines in this country suffered terribly under the hands of British colonialism. This is as much Australia’s history as the landing of the first fleet, and both should be remembered, equally. Both should be taught, side by side, in our schools.

Australians of today abhor what was done under British governance to the Aborigines. We abhor what was done under British governance to the Irish and many other cultures around the world. So, after the horrors of WWII we decided to fix it.

We became our own people.

On the 26th of January 1949, the Australian nationality came into existence when the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948 was enacted. That was the day we were first called Australians and allowed to travel with Passports as Australians.

Under the Nationality Act 1920 (Cth), all Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders born after January 1, 1921 gained the status of British subjects. In 1949, therefore, they automatically became Australian citizens under the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948.

Before that special date, all people living in Australia, including Aborigines born after 1921, were called ‘British Subjects’ and forced to travel on British Passports and fight in British wars.

We all became Australians on the same day!

This is why we celebrate Australia Day on the 26th of January!

This was the day Australians became free to make our own decisions about which wars we would fight and how our citizens would be treated. It was the day Aborigines were declared Australians.

Until this date, Aborigines were not protected by law. For the first time since Cook’s landing, this new Act gave Aboriginal Australians by inference and precedent the full protection of Australian law.

Because of this Act, the government became free to help Aborigines, and since that day much has been done to assist Aboriginal Australians, including saying ‘sorry’ for the previous atrocities done before this law came into being.

This was a great day for all Australians!

This is why the 26th of January is the day new Australians receive their citizenship. It is a day which celebrates the implementation of the Nationality and Citizenship Act of 1948 – the Act which gave freedom and protection to the first Australians and gives all Australians, old and new, the right to live under the protection of Australian Law, united as one nation.

Now, isn’t that cause for celebration?

Education is key! There is a great need for education on the real reason we celebrate Australia Day on the 26th of January. This reason needs to be advertised and taught in schools. We all need to remember this one very special day in Australia’s history, when freedom came to all Australians.

What was achieved that day is something for which all Australians can be proud!

We need to remember both the good and the bad in our history, but the emphasis must be the freedom and unity all Australians now have, because of what was done on the 26th of January 1949, to allow all of us to live without fear in a land of peace.

Isn’t it time all Australians were taught the real reason we celebrate Australia Day on Jan 26th?
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A bit of light reading.


Captain Cook did not arrive in Australia on the 26th of January.

The Landing of Captain Cook in Sydney happened on the 28th of April 1770 – not on the 26th of January 1770. The First Fleet arrived in Botany Bay on the 18th of January. The 26th was chosen as Australia Day for a different reason; however, Captain Cook’s landing was included in Australia Day celebrations as a reminder of a significant historical event.

Since the extravagant bicentenary celebrations of 1988, when Sydney-siders decided Captain Cook’s lbax anding should become the focus of the Australia Day h, the importance of this date for all Australians has begun to fade.

Now, a generation later, it’s all but lost.

This is because our politicians and educators have not been doing a good job promoting the day. Our politicians have not been advertising the real reason for Australia Day, and our educators have not been teaching our children the importance of the 26th of January to all Australians.

The media, as usual, is happy to twist the truth for the sake of controversy.

In recent years, the media has helped fan the flames of discontent among the Aboriginal community. Many are now so offended by what they see as a celebration of the beginning of the darkest days of Aboriginal history, they want the date changed.

Various local Councils are seeking to remove themselves from Australia Day celebrations, even refusing to participate in citizenship ceremonies, and calls are going out to have Australia Day on a different day.

The big question is, why has the Government allowed this misconception to continue?

Captain Cook didn’t land on the 26th of January. So changing the date of any celebration of Captain Cook’s landing would not have any impact on Australia Day, but maybe it would clear the way for the truth about Australia Day.

The reality is, the Aborigines in this country suffered terribly under the hands of British colonialism. This is as much Australia’s history as the landing of the first fleet, and both should be remembered, equally. Both should be taught, side by side, in our schools.

Australians of today abhor what was done under British governance to the Aborigines. We abhor what was done under British governance to the Irish and many other cultures around the world. So, after the horrors of WWII we decided to fix it.

We became our own people.

On the 26th of January 1949, the Australian nationality came into existence when the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948 was enacted. That was the day we were first called Australians and allowed to travel with Passports as Australians.

Under the Nationality Act 1920 (Cth), all Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders born after January 1, 1921 gained the status of British subjects. In 1949, therefore, they automatically became Australian citizens under the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948.

Before that special date, all people living in Australia, including Aborigines born after 1921, were called ‘British Subjects’ and forced to travel on British Passports and fight in British wars.

We all became Australians on the same day!

This is why we celebrate Australia Day on the 26th of January!

This was the day Australians became free to make our own decisions about which wars we would fight and how our citizens would be treated. It was the day Aborigines were declared Australians.

Until this date, Aborigines were not protected by law. For the first time since Cook’s landing, this new Act gave Aboriginal Australians by inference and precedent the full protection of Australian law.

Because of this Act, the government became free to help Aborigines, and since that day much has been done to assist Aboriginal Australians, including saying ‘sorry’ for the previous atrocities done before this law came into being.

This was a great day for all Australians!

This is why the 26th of January is the day new Australians receive their citizenship. It is a day which celebrates the implementation of the Nationality and Citizenship Act of 1948 – the Act which gave freedom and protection to the first Australians and gives all Australians, old and new, the right to live under the protection of Australian Law, united as one nation.

Now, isn’t that cause for celebration?

Education is key! There is a great need for education on the real reason we celebrate Australia Day on the 26th of January. This reason needs to be advertised and taught in schools. We all need to remember this one very special day in Australia’s history, when freedom came to all Australians.

What was achieved that day is something for which all Australians can be proud!

We need to remember both the good and the bad in our history, but the emphasis must be the freedom and unity all Australians now have, because of what was done on the 26th of January 1949, to allow all of us to live without fear in a land of peace.

Isn’t it time all Australians were taught the real reason we celebrate Australia Day on Jan 26th?
Hi
i enjoyed reading your reply. Yes Cook arrived in 1770, and many others including the Dutch prior. Trading occurred with PNG, Indonesia and China well before then. Hence, special trading laws still occur with PNG residents and Torres Strait Islanders.
Yes, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander did indeed fight for Australia in both world wars, but did not count as Australian Cotizens.
‘The first fleet and Captain Phillip arrived at Sydney Cove on 26th January and claimed Australia on behalf of England due to Terra Nullius (unoccupied lands). Of course Cook and other countries knew the lands where occupied.
Until 1967 Aboriginal Australians Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander were under a government acts, including the Opium Act. Aboriginal peoples lives were controlled by ‘The Protectors of the Aborigines’, a Government Body. They where forced from their homes and the ones that survived put on ‘Missions’ (institutions). Education was allowed until primary school then off to work.
In 1967 a referendum was called and a successful vote was obtained to include our First Australians as Australian Citizens. Prior to this time Aboriginal Australians had to sign a Document and apply to ‘The Protectors of the Aborigines’ The only way out for Aboriginal people wa to sign an ‘Exemption Certificate’ This allowed First Australians to vote, earn an income (before this farmers paid the government their wages instead) and marry. However, they had to sign it to say they will no longer mix wth family, Practic their culture, speak their language. So First Australians could not own property/houses and build Equity. Aboriginal people built property, infrastructure and developed lands they could not own……. A treaty or the sale of lands cannot be provided by the commonwealth to justify ownership either.
So, learn the history and travel indigenous lands with an open mind and it will be the best experience you’ll have.
FYI; I’m Jason and I currently own 3 PATROLS and have travelled many parts of Australia, Asia and the Americas. Look forward to more overland travel
 

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Yes, but they sailed into Sydney Cove and hoisted the British flag on January 26....
The entire fleet did not arrive at the same time, but that is really irrelevant, the actual history of what happened between Jan 18 and 26 has been torn apart by many over the years. Suffice to say, **** happens, if it wasn't a British 'invasion' it was going to be French or possibly Dutch or Russian. Nobody knows what the result of that scenario would have been. But I go back to what I said earlier, in this day and age this is just as much my Australia as it is anyone else's and I will say up front my ancestors come from many and varied places, Ireland, Scotland, England, France, Germany, Wales and a few more I can't remember.
 
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