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Do you have any additional information to provide evidence to that claim? Location? Time of imagery? Eye witness statements? Aircraft being shot at?

Doesn't look to be a SU-27, MiG-29 or SU-25 assuming these would be the Ukrainian Airforce's air defence aircraft.
 

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errr, this has been debunked so often

the aircraft cited as doing the attack can't reach the altitude of the boeing .... and its weapons fit won't close the gap in altitude - let alone reach the incline and still have effect at termination

killed off in the majority of defence forums 3 months ago as wishful thinking
there's also the og so significant issue of effect damage on the boeing, destruction was forward and starboard - nothing on the Ukrainian frogfoots could achieve that - they're not wired up to do it.

killshot was made from the opposite direction of that "so called" Ukrainian fighter
 

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So regardless of who did it it seems you can more or less get away with shooting down civilian aircraft.

Interesting times indeed.

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Justin
 

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had several attacks
* with the aircraft guns of 32 mm and then a missile (air-to-air)
aircraft like the Su-27
This picture was taken from the English or American spy satellite
* picture sent from America
 

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Please excuse my lack on knowledge on both war and their weapons, but,
1. How has it taken this long for these pictures to come to light?
and 2. It seems awfully ironic these images were made public, (American, English or Russian), on the eve of G20 while Putin has warships loitering off Aus.!
 

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I think the experts will understand, this is the real photo or not
another question arises, why suddenly everyone forgot about the catastrophe ??
quickly accused Russia and washed their hands
 

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Placing hi tech weapons capable of shooting down a passenger jet in the hands of operators that lack the sofistacation required for systems they are controlling will never end well.

It is unfortunate to say the least.


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Placing hi tech weapons capable of shooting down a passenger jet in the hands of operators that lack the sofistacation required for systems they are controlling will never end well.

It is unfortunate to say the least.


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Totally agree
 

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this is a provocation, not a bug
 

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Do you have any additional information to provide evidence to that claim? Location? Time of imagery? Eye witness statements? Aircraft being shot at?

Doesn't look to be a SU-27, MiG-29 or SU-25 assuming these would be the Ukrainian Airforce's air defence aircraft.
Don't agree with the theory at all, but that is a Su-27
 

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it doesn't matter whether its a klingon bird of prey

the damage to the boeing is starboard front - its a kinetic proximity kill

no aircraft in the Ukrainian (or Russian airforce equiv) has the capacity to use the missiles in their current armouries or able to released from that aircraft that can close that meeting gap, head to the other side at an equiv distance, come back in and explode in the opposite direction

if you want to suspend physics and start folding time and distance with a wormhole then thats about the only way you can pull it off

the main missiles available to the SU-27 (or Su34 if the russians want to start claiming another change to the story) don't have co-operative engagement capability, they don't have the energy and capability to go ahead and come back in on the boeing - and more to the point - the signature destruction left by an air to air missile is a tad different to a large SAM

and not to put too fine a point on it.

on the various defence sites I moderate on (one has a russian moderator and the other had a ukrainian moderator (now unfort deceased as a result of the conflict) both had evidence that shows the Buk launcher fully loaded prior to the shootdown (with local population complaining about why it was there) to post shoot down shots where the same mobile launcher minus one Buk is videoed heading back across the border to russia under an escort

it doesn't matter whether that imagery has the battleship pontemkin flying across the landscape - the weapons fitout for the platform cannot achieve the kill based on the damage to the Boeing. ie the attack came from the starboard forward area and slightly above the aircraft ****pit.

as well as when this was first touted the conspirators were alleging that it was an Su24 - when it was pointed out that the Frogfoot neither had the weapons fitout or flight performance to close the gap and release missiles (the wrong kind of missiles) the story magically changed to it being an Su27

give it time and they'll be blaming the estonians, latvians, lithuanians or poles.
 

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I did not understand, my Google translator badly translated
about rockets beech, if the plane hit the beech, the set submunitions would be stuck in dead bodies and aircraft parts
but so far no one has presented this evidence
Americans and the satellites do not care about this disaster now
 

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when I refer to starboard side of the Boeing thats from a meeting point perspective - ie head on

from the onboard plane perspective for the Boeing itself, then its the port side, ie the left
note the altitude of the "su-27"
compare length of su-27 to a Boeing 777 (its about a third)
if you extrapolate the physical length of the supposed su-27 with the boeing 777 you can start to establish the altitude difference.

note that the initial claims 3 months ago were that the attacking jet was a Su24, then it was an Su-25 - that was pilloried as nonsensical and it then became an su27 to fit the narrative
now it varies between a Mig29 and an Su27.
if its a mig29 then the weapons options are even more limited
meanwhile a Buk mobile launcher missing one of its missiles is still an issue that gets ignored

plus, a satellite image showing missile release at that kind of resolution?

and finally, the passenger jet shown is more likely a 767 - not a 777 - so nice bit of photo shopping of multiple map overlays and multiple image insertion(not)

so good luck believing the image is kosher....

finally, this initially was IP traced back to russian forums early october - it never came from the US
 

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I think the experts will understand, this is the real photo or not
another question arises, why suddenly everyone forgot about the catastrophe ??
quickly accused Russia and washed their hands
No one in Australia has forgotten about it. It is still very much in the media and on peoples minds. It's just the Russian media you see that has forgotten about it
 
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