I got new tyres and balance and drove true but now after 1500 ks the slight wobble is starting maybe is just starting to wear outside edges then back to its old self
91 TD42 with a 2" lift. Has had all sorts of shimmys and shakes that gave been improved/worsened though wheel balances, new bearings, rod ends, etc over the years.
DEATH WOBBLE - an entirely different thing. How I've generally seen this described (and how I've experienced it) is when something like a bump in the road or reaching a certain speed triggers a big amplitude 'wobble' through the front end. Literally the steering wheel almost flies out of your hand and it feels like the front suspension is ripping itself apart. First time it happened I thought a wheel bearing had let go or something. Impossible to drive with and you have to immediately slow right down to make it stop. Your passengers will want to get out and hitch hike home.
In my case, replacing the panhard bushes fixed it immediately (thank god). I have heard of this as the most common death wobble fix. The old bushes only had the tiniest amount of play but sure enough that was the problem.
I feel like some of the wobbles people are talking about here aren't the actual dreaded "death wobble" which, as the name implies, feels like your front diff has come adrift and your about to die. Big difference...
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Was the superior arms set with more castor than standard arms with normal offset castor set for say 4 inch lift.I have replace everything several times over in the front end of mine, but the lower panhard bush made the most immediately noticeable difference. Fixing the caster correction with Superior arms made a big difference as well, everything else wheel bearings, king pin bearings, tie rod ends and other bushes all just contribute to the front steering and suspension being loose but I do not think are the key cause or solution.
There is also the other big contributing factor of wheels and poor wheel balance, this is what kicks off the wobble, even before you ever start to feel it, it is beginning from wear on components.
I had tried two different sets of steel wheels, one set of 35" mud tyres and 33" aggressive ATs all of which were hard to get balanced well. I have now gone back to alloys and 33"ATs and I'm fussy about getting the balance right. I believe that the combined forces of larger tyres, wider offset wheels, out of balance and travelling long distances shaking the hell out of the front suspension is the major contributor to loosening up every part of the suspension and steering. But the root cause of the wobbles is the suspension geometry being a fine compromise between: lift/articulation and still wanting nice road manners all from the old fashioned solid axle, three link system.
Nissan have it well set up for standard height, standard wheels and tyres. I noticed how thin and light weight the factory tyres and wheels are now, even compared to the alloys and tyres that came out on the series III GU, the series IV and newer 17" alloys are very light, the 275/65x17 tyres are really light and balance well. They have made it much better for the road or should say street.
PS: woohoo, the poll says that 100% of the voters agree with me
Scrap that, some other cheeky bugger just voted for wheel bearings
Tyrepower roadforce balsnce..belmont or ospark 35 bucks a wheel.definatly better than a chimp balance.I'm going through this atm and trying to sort it out is doing me head in. Anyone know where to get a decent dynamic (inner and outer) balance in perth? May have to rebuild 1 x shock, have just replaced panhard bushes. Adjusted wheel bearings. Will sort it but in the meantime... painful
What was caster? Download the manual via the link in my signature for full detail of bearing and pin adjustment.So i have this slight steering vibration, definetly not the death wobbles and I'm really trying to go down the route of not throwing money at it. Let me describe my symptoms and maybe someone can point me in the right direction. I have done the following, all of which have not helped (I've done this stuff because it was due and worn out, not chasing the wobble).
1. Shocks front and rear
2. Steering dampner
3. Track rod
4. Adjustable drag link
5. Wheel alignment
6. All new tyres/balances
7. Tightened wheel bearings (still looking if I did this correctly, whats the factory manual procedure) ?
I have not as yet had a proper inspection of any bushes, just haven't had the time to take a look, but would be supprised as the vehicles is only at 166,000KMs to be a bushing issue (2005 nissan patrol)
My steering wheel vibration is light and would not describe it as violent or what people refer to as the death wobbles. It usually happens around 85-95KPH. However it is intermittent, it does not always happen. It seems to happen more when the road is turning slightly left at speed and if put the wheel back to center quickly it stops, taking fast right turns seems to shake less, different road surfaces also affect it, usually smooth roads being worse, go figure. What I find interesting is that I get it the worst when I haven't driven the car for a couple of days, no idea why this makes it worse, but definetly it seems like there is more of a chance of happening if the vehicle has been sitting.
Wheel alignment was done by fulcrum so I trust there setup and front toe was set to 0.6 for front left and right.
The steering does feel very loose and I saw some suggestions about tightening the steering wheel box, any instructions on how to do this ?
Any other advice I would appreciate, I'm not going to tackle this problem by randomly throwing parts at it, not at this stage anyway.
I'll upload the cster when i get home.What was caster? Download the manual via the link in my signature for full detail of bearing and pin adjustment.
It is in there, just need to go through and check each section, take notes of each heading to make it easoer next time your looking for a section.I'll upload the cster when i get home.
I downloaded your manual a while ago i tried looking for the wheek bearing part but couldnt find the section, where is it located ?
Will have more of a look throught the books.It is in there, just need to go through and check each section, take notes of each heading to make it easoer next time your looking for a section.
Caster looks OK, from those numbers I can only assume you don't have a lift? No caster cannot be simply adjusted, offset bushes can be fited to give more caster or things like drop boxes or special arms, the last 2 being the most expensive options. But as said yours looks OK.Will have more of a look throught the books.
Caster left 3.94
Caster Right 3.61
Can caster even be adjusted, I thought you could only do toe ?
Thanks for confirming, no not lifted, I assumed it would be fine as my vehicle is stock and you can't adjust it. I just feel like its something to do with the steering, because the vibration is only in the steering wheel, it's not felt anywhere else in the body.Caster looks OK, from those numbers I can only assume you don't have a lift? No caster cannot be simply adjusted, offset bushes can be fited to give more caster or things like drop boxes or special arms, the last 2 being the most expensive options. But as said yours looks OK.
Will do. What's the best way to check the panhard bushes ?Check steering connections to box and pitman arm. Also panhard bushes can feel fine until loaded.
Lets check top part of steering first. With engine off how much freeplay is in the steering without wheels moving?Will do. What's the best way to check the panhard bushes ?
I tried wobbling the steering left and right quickly while stationary and it feels very loose and there is a sligh clunk, not sure if it's normal. I've never had a 4x4 before so it's hard for me to say how much loosness in a steering wheel is normal as all my other cars have been tight steering sport cars.
Ill get under and check when i have a chance. Definetly more play to the left. Hardly any play to the right which seems odd.Lets check top part of steering first. With engine off how much freeplay is in the steering without wheels moving?
Cool, I would replace those bushes, only do one thing at a time otherwise you won't know what fixed it. my old DI has around 25mm freeplay from centre so yours is right up there.I've been under the car quickly today and this is what I found. The front radius arm bushes seem to have cracked around the bolt part:
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So where I have marked it red you can definetly see it seperating and cracking all around there, but testing with a pry bar they still feel pretty tight.
The panhard arm bushes look ok to although i think its hard to diagnose them without taking the arm off, but they do feel tight.
The steering wheel freeplay is about 60mm so way above the manual stated 35mm or less (Thank you geeyoutoo for the manual). So I'll start with adjusting the steering wheel freeplay as that's free and see how we go from there. The steering has always felt a little too loose to me as in it kind of feels dangerous at high speeds so adjusting the steering box may fix several issues for me. Will advise if the steering box adjustment fixes my issue which is intermittent wheel shimney around 90kph.
I will get to them when the workshop is sorted, in the process of being built, don't have a press yet as well.Cool, I would replace those bushes, only do one thing at a time otherwise you won't know what fixed it. my old DI has around 25mm freeplay from centre so yours is right up there.