[bennoGU28]

The price of a complete system will obviously be more, thats pretty darn obvious. But its the filters fault that the water got there in the first place.
What CRD pumps are not rebuildable; Denso, Bosch/Zexel all are.

AFMs; might as well apply this across every goddamn EFi engine then. Sorry, but how many EFi engines are on the road today?

What was the repair you did, 4cyl, 6cyl, 8cyl CRD? Genuine sourced parts?
Trade or retail pricing, being insurance Im pretty sure no 'corners' would have been cut price wise.

Due to the better combustion available in modern diesels there is less carbon entering the oil, hence longer oil change intervals. How much does 10l of oil and two filters every 5k compare to 8l of oil and 1 filter every 10k (or every 20k)......still think your in front?

 

[bennoGU28]

G'day again all,
The crazy thing about the new technology is that it's main aim is to increase efficency while decreasing emmissons.... All good when new & working correctly - but then people start blocking off EGR valves, removing cat convertors, blocking off charcoal canisters, blocking off vac lines, etc, etc, etc So no longer doing it's so called "bit for the environment" ....:headwall:
Not to mention the cost of replacing failed electronic sensors....
( great for the manufacture's spare parts trade )...
Also for efficency - i've read here that the new CRD uses more fuel than the "old" ZD30 ? Please correct me if i'm wrong....

Anyway i own a gas guzzling heavy TB45 Patrol, and equally thirsty & poluting old G60 Patrol + old tech 1962 XK Falcon sedan - & couldn't be happier !! ..... :doh:, :eyepoke: , :withstup: , lol
Cheers,
Gavin........

Im pretty sure a CRD engine with a disabled EGR system by its very nature is more efficient and produces less emmisions than any TD42.

Failed electronic sensors, hmm $300 MAF gonna break the bank.

ha ha :roll:

 

[Ray!]

G'day again all,
The crazy thing about the new technology is that it's main aim is to increase efficency while decreasing emmissons.... All good when new & working correctly - but then people start blocking off EGR valves, removing cat convertors, blocking off charcoal canisters, blocking off vac lines, etc, etc, etc So no longer doing it's so called "bit for the environment" ....:headwall:
Not to mention the cost of replacing failed electronic sensors....
( great for the manufacture's spare parts trade )...
Also for efficency - i've read here that the new CRD uses more fuel than the "old" ZD30 ? Please correct me if i'm wrong....

Anyway i own a gas guzzling heavy TB45 Patrol, and equally thirsty & poluting old G60 Patrol + old tech 1962 XK Falcon sedan - & couldn't be happier !! ..... :doh:, :eyepoke: , :withstup: , lol
Cheers,
Gavin........

The TB45 has all of the above, except I think for the EGR, even the TD42 has electronics and so did my SD33.

My CRD gets the same fuel economy as the Di auto.

Cheers

Ray

 

[Gavin Thomas]

G'day Ben,
Some of what you say is true - BUT if you accidently put petrol in some / most CRD's then you can / will cause major pump failure + injectors etc..
I know cause when working at a new car dealership a few years ago i actually did a few that failed due to this happening... You might be suprised to learn that it happens often - people accidently put petrol in a Diesel.
The problem is that the pump needs to create extreem pressures -( approx 20,000 + psi - yep that's right ), for normal operation. The pump really relys on good clean Diesel for lubrication of it's internals / bearings.... A surprisingly little amount of petrol can / will "wash" away the lubricants in the Diesel fuel - & bang - it's all over red rover..... I've personally seen it happen mate...
F*#$ks the whole show - blocks the needles in the Electronic injectors, ( these holes are smaller than the thickness of a human hair mate - seriously ), metal particals in all fuel lines & back into the tank etc, etc, etc.
I did quite a few tech training courses on the new CRD when working at that dealership for a few years.... I did quite a few major repairs costing about $12,000 a pop due to impurities or by accidently adding petrol to the tank... ( some only put about 10 litres of petrol in the tank & then tried to dilute by filling the rest with Diesel - but still had major failure ).....

I have NOT seen an old school Diesel affected any where near to that degree
from accidently getting petrol into the pump.

Anyway, i'm sure you will have a good response to this post mate ,
but that is just how i've seen it with my experience mate....
Cheers,
Gavin.....

 

[bennoGU28]

So what your actually saying is that the damage to the fuel system was caused by someone who cant read nor smell the difference between petrol and diesel.

How does this contribute anything towards worse reliability for modern diesels? It doesnt. Anyway you should be pushing modern diesels then, more work for you.

 

[Ray!]

It'll be interesting to see how the new diesel engines in the Army's replacement fleet will go, as they will all be the latest diesel technology. Good thing they never go anywhere in the bush.

Cheers

Ray

 

[Gavin Thomas]

Ray - " never go anywhere in the bush " .... lol Do they still use those old Landrovers :headwall: Poor Bastards ! lol

Benno....
I reckon we will agree to disagree mate .....

Anyway - check the poll now - TD42 way in front...
Cheers,
Gavin......

 

[B.D.R]

I'd be buying a 4.8, then throwing in some boost .

Then i relise i drive a 3t 4WD so Economy is'nt high on my priority list .

I will never go back to a Diesel, boosted petrol's too much fun

 

[warthog]

Then i relise i drive a 3t 4WD so Economy is'nt high on my priority list .

Then you'll also realise if its speed your after perhaps it's not the vehicle for you. ;-)

 

[B.D.R]

I never said i speed

 

[RustyTruck]

4.2TD for sure mate.

 

[Cornelius]

Mate go the 4.8, it goes like a bat out of hell straight from the factory. If you get the 4.2 you will be spending the next six months trying to make it perform the way it should.

 

[GOLDGQ]

The price of a complete system will obviously be more, thats pretty darn obvious. But its the filters fault that the water got there in the first place.
What CRD pumps are not rebuildable; Denso, Bosch/Zexel all are.

AFMs; might as well apply this across every goddamn EFi engine then. Sorry, but how many EFi engines are on the road today?

What was the repair you did, 4cyl, 6cyl, 8cyl CRD? Genuine sourced parts?
Trade or retail pricing, being insurance Im pretty sure no 'corners' would have been cut price wise.

Due to the better combustion available in modern diesels there is less carbon entering the oil, hence longer oil change intervals. How much does 10l of oil and two filters every 5k compare to 8l of oil and 1 filter every 10k (or every 20k)......still think your in front?

Well in front idiot!! :victory: , Some one had to say it!!!..LOL

Did i not explain that my old TD42 never stopped or let me down once after 9 years of use?



Dave

 

[bennoGU28]

Well me old 2.8 has cost me $5 in out of service costs in now (OMG) 11 years, but this is not a yours-is-bigger-than-mine contest is it?

If I had to change the oil and filter half as often over that time Id be atleast $2k up.

Now Stupid, take your oil/filter costs and divide by 2 (or even by 4) and what do you get? Last time I checked doing less services = less cost to you.

Been through this crap in the marine industry, carby vs EFi, fixed valves Vs VVT. EFi and VVT have shone through every single time. 2 stroke vs 4 stroke and displacement vs pressurised induction have not been resolved yet as most of thier uses are application specific and there is no specific answer.

4wd engines are far less application specific and the arguements have not been resolved in your favour.

Modern engines require less servicing and have longer lasting components so overall service life costs are less than latter day engines. It is, as Ray said previously, that certain people refuse to accept this.

If the trucking industry ever believed the opposite were true, no new trucks would be sold and there would be 71 series Detroit or Cummins Big Cam rebuilders on every corner. Nope its Signature, ACERT and DD15s.

 

[Gavin Thomas]

I'm glad old mate didn't ask for comparison on the ZD30 as well !! :headwall:
This thread would have gone ballistic big time with opinion, debate, argument & abuse.... lol...
Maybe he's checked the response here & run to the hills - as no sign of adza since he posted the question ????

Seems to be a big sway now towards the TD42 - but i suppose it could be expected as there are more members on this forum that own them
Cheers,
Gavin....

 

[GOLDGQ]

Well me old 2.8 has cost me $5 in out of service costs in now (OMG) 11 years, but this is not a yours-is-bigger-than-mine contest is it?

If I had to change the oil and filter half as often over that time Id be atleast $2k up.

Now Stupid, take your oil/filter costs and divide by 2 (or even by 4) and what do you get? Last time I checked doing less services = less cost to you.

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"Less servicing = less cost to you" ... And i think you said you work in the Marine industry?

Holy ****.. You are a dead set moron with no idea!!

Hope my boat never ends up in your hands dude!!



It costs me $70 to do oil and both filters every time i service my 4.2.. so say at every 3 months thats 4 services a year so thats $280 a year right, So over 9 years thats $2520 worth of preventative maintnance which mind you is a word i thought you may have been familur with been a Marine industy person and all .. Anyway, Do you know how many people i know with ZD30,s for exsample that have had to replace an injector pump at $2500 or replace there cylinder heads at $3000... Not to mention the inconviance when they were out in the middle of no wear and the cost that was involved with towing ect?

Are you sugesting i halve my oil changes because they are oh so dear and risk an 8 + thousand dollar engine failour?

I can only hope your a spare parts interpreter that is a wanna be mechanic or something dude cause if there are people like yourself out there with spanners in there hands offereing service advice im a very scared person to say the least



Dave

 

[Ray!]

Obviously he has no idea about new injectors & pumps in these modern computerised deisels either.. Like the fact there not servicable and well the price of them... May as well sell your car if the injectors need replacing


To me the buetey and idea of a deisel is the fact that its an all mechanical engine without computers and electrics etc.. thats why i have a TD42 , Just look at the issues of air flow meters ect on new deisels and how many things there are to go wrong.. Cheaper to service? ROFL!!


Dave

Don't believe everything you hear or read,get the facts first. The following prices are directly from Nizzbits:

Fuel Pump

CRD is only $2830 RRP or $2400 my price.
DI series 2/3 is $5655 RRP or $5200 my price.
DI series 4/5 is $4657 RRP or $4300 my price.

Injectors

Di series 2/3 $480 RRP or $400 from me.
Di series 4/5 $600 RRP or $500 from me.
CRD $518 RRP or $440 from me.

You'll probably find that the 4.2lt pump is around the same as for the Di (forgot to ask this). And 4.2lt injectors are around $100-150 each to replace, non-serviceable items. So it's half the cost to replace six 4.2 injectors compared to 4 CRD injectors, but the CRD injectors are designed to last a 'lot' longer than the 4.2 ones.

So the replacement of a CRD fuel pump and injectors, probably costs less than a 4.2 fuel pump alone. Well looked after, fuel pumps and injectors in either model don't just fail.

Cheers

Ray

 

[petefire427]

TD4.2Ti injectors

hey Ray, FYI, TD42TI- only no1 injector is not servicable due to the piezo in it(apparently they break when pulled apart) no2 throught to 6 are normal injectors.No 1 injector is the same as the rest(apart from piezo plate)It could be replaced with a std one and run perfectly except for a fault code light on the dash.

 

[LycraMooseKnuckle]

Come on Ray even you know that there's no point compaing oil change intervals and associated costs with injector pumps...when does the oil change relate to the service life of the IP?

Replacement (100% rebuilt from brand new spare parts) GQ TD42 injector pump when I had the issues with mine was up around $2800 excluding fitment from a diesel workshop (didnt call Nissan). Reco pump was $800 to $1500.

I should add that the injector pump ordeal on my patrol was almost never ending - the car was never the same again (worse than when I got it).

 

[Cornelius]

Well there you go ADZY86 , while the diesel owners are squabling over how expensive it is to repair and service their cars, you can drive around and over anything you like in your super powerful 4.8 petrol with no worries other than a little bit of extra fuel costs. My 4.8 is now 8 years old and the sum total of repairs made to the engine or modifications to make it go better = $0. Up to you mate ........