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#1 ·
Hey gurus,

A few people on here will know I have lunched another motor.
Broke a crank this time, but that is not why I am here, cranks break, the issue is the constant blowing head gaskets, the heat cracked pistons, heads and pre combs...

I am looking to upgrade exhaust manifolds to get the gas away from the head better, I think I am running too much boost and too much manifold back pressure.

My instant thought was to run a 6boost mani, the cost I do not care about, a manifold is cheap compared to a rebuild, so if it helps, I am in.

I did some research and some respected people on here have said the longer manifold design is bad for spool because of the distance and the heat loss.

So I went hunting knowing the Radius mani has some respect and a couple of others.I see radius has just designed a new style manifold.

https://www.facebook.com/RadiusFabr.../RadiusFabrication/photos/pcb.1119192494807490/1119189531474453/?type=3&theater


and this would be similar to the 6boost one, I could not find a specific photo for TD42

http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/atta...42394d1355351904-6boost-turbo-manifolds-suit-td-tb-42-6boost-tb48-twin-gate-jpg



I did some further research that indicates it is a toss up between equal length for pulse effect, reduced length for speed and heat retention and then the most important is collector angle to pulse into the turbo, not just flop around as it comes out of the runner into the collector.

As we all should know, 6boost manifolds are the best and his collector is a low angle, very effective piece of kit.

The Radius mani looks good, but there is no nice low angle collector angle so I think that would be very turbulent...interested to see results.

I had a look at a couple of other options but they do not look much better than my current Safari manifold.

So, my questions are:

How much spool am I going to lose with the 6 boost manifold?
Is the radius design going to work?
Is it possible testing people have done with long runner manifolds and had bad results with had more to do with bad collector design, IE, long runner = bad but good collector = good so is this going to make it somewhat comparative to the short runner manifold with a poorer collector?


Looking for some expert opinions here :)

Cheers, Andy
 
#6 ·
Highmount or lowmount does not bother me.

Is the genuine or Denco unit really much of an upgrade over the safari manifold I already have?
 
#7 ·
Nothing really wrong with the safari manifold.
Factory or denco are good as well.
Yes Radius has a new manifold design with a better collector setup, improvements in spool times over the previous design. Richie was sending me one to do some testing with, but he is working on another now with a different collector again.
But piston cracks? where are they? If the are on the outer edge near the pre comb opening, or around the edges of the piston chamber itself, little tiny cracks from the edge of the sharp edges, they are quite common to see ,but usually after a few km though.
I does sound like you just have multiple issue though.
 
#9 ·
I cannot tell you what is best. What I can tell you is long runners with collector are more suited to higher rpm torque so what you gain you loose at the other end.

I haven't seen a radius example in the flesh but there is a bit more to it than sticking pipes together. I have made both and tested them, I even made my own cast manifold because none were made yet at the time that were of a STD I thought good.

If you do your research here you will find info regarding what is required for a std turbo manifold to work to its optimum for a 2000 rpm ish torque peak to complement our cam shaft for a street TD42.

To answer your question Your safari manifold will work to its best with a bit of die grinding at the port intersection. For your application towing heavy loads your log Safari cast manifold is ideal so no the two other examples are not an upgrade over your existing manifold.

If you want to play with pulse then what you have is ideal if you do a twin scroll turbine. Are the gains significant, No because a diesel works at low rpm to generate its torque from fuel injected to develop gas to drive the turbine wheel early in the rpm range.

I really don't know your issues but I can tell you the manifold doesn't have much to do with back pressure or getting the gas away. For our diesel we will see high ratios imp to emp 1.4 is about the limit you should see. And if you can find a turbo to see less than 1:1 then you have the ideal if you can still get the turbine drive to develop the power you expect.