[troll98]

If I had the coin when I bought my troll I would have went for the :bowdown: 4.2 Deisel:driving: :victory:
At least with the money I saved I could spend it on mods

 

[GOLDGQ]

The 4.2 diesel is a good engine, but it's not completely immune to problems and it does require more servicing over its life than latter day diesels.

Cheers

Ray

How hards an oil change to do

My old one was immune from problems and i put 300thousand k,s on it and a big aftermarket turbo

What servicing costs?.. You mean oil and filters?


Dave

 

[Gavin Thomas]

Gotta agree with above - and new Diesels seem to be getting more & more horrible to service & maintain... ie - precise & expensive oils, extreemly hi-pressure pumps that can fail with the slightest impurities - with massive cost, fuel lines that "need" to be replaced if "cracked", filters in exhaust that fail if wrong oil used - once again with massive cost...... + There is more that could be added to that list.

Anyway - above really only applies to new common rail engine - with new emisson laws..... Doesn't really apply to the "old" TD42, so is not relevent to this thread or the original ???.

I suppose the facts are that adzy has stated that fuel consumption is NOT a problem for him - so TB48 ok there.....
If he is after Auto trans only - then TD42 is out...

Once again look at the poll 50/50 - i reckon that he has 3 options here,
(1) - Go with the engine that wins in the poll - if it's not 50/50,
(2) - Flip a coin if it is 50/50 - or flip a coin anyway,
(3) - Go with your gut felling.....
Either choice you will win & be happy mate -
Cheers,
Gavin........

 

[Ray!]

Gotta agree with above - and new Diesels seem to be getting more & more horrible to service & maintain... ie - precise & expensive oils, extreemly hi-pressure pumps that can fail with the slightest impurities - with massive cost, fuel lines that "need" to be replaced if "cracked", filters in exhaust that fail if wrong oil used - once again with massive cost...... + There is more that could be added to that list.Cheers,
Gavin........

Actually, All of those things can and do go wrong with all diesel engines, be they new or old technology. I don't know how any diesel servicing shops ever got started if the old diesels were so reliable.

The newer diesels are in fact much more cost effective to maintain and run, with longer servicing intervals, longer injector life, better efficiency etc. It's just that many refuse to accept this.

Cheers

Ray

 

[drifter** *]

you must not have seen a $10000 injector pump bill on a 4 year old car.

 

[Gavin Thomas]

I reckon that as as percentage of production, there will be more "old school" Diesels STILL running long term - with more K's & less money spent over-all than the new tech Diesels.... I accept the realities & have experience with both.... Only time will tell - but so far i reckon no one can deny the proven record of reliability & flexability of the old tech Diesels..
Anyway that's your opinion & this is mine Ray - no problem with that mate, ....
Cheers,
Gavin.......

 

[Ray!]

you must not have seen a $10000 injector pump bill on a 4 year old car.

Yep! Used to work years ago, before the modern diesels, in an diesel servicing shop. A diesel fuel pump, when it's beyond repair, costs an arm and a leg. The diesel pump in the Di/CRD is much the same as in any diesel, though I understood that a replacement was in the order of $4000-5000, close to the same as any other diesel pump.

Cheers

Ray

 

[Gavin Thomas]

Drifter,
I know what your saying mate - i did a customer repair on a common rail for a slight batch of 'BAD" Diesel, cost him $14,000... + a few under new car warranty with similar costs... Note, There was a few vehicles with the "bad' fuel, ( from a small remote roadhouse in the outback ), the guy with the common rail was towed to the next town by a "old school" Diesel with the same "bad" fuel in his tank.. ( He just had to stop and drain his sediment filter every now and then when it started to die )...
Cheers,
Gavin....

 

[Ray!]

Drifter,
I know what your saying mate - i did a customer repair on a common rail for a slight batch of 'BAD" Diesel, cost him $14,000... + a few under new car warranty with similar costs... Note, There was a few vehicles with the "bad' fuel, ( from a small remote roadhouse in the outback ), the guy with the common rail was towed to the next town by a "old school" Diesel with the same "bad" fuel in his tank.. ( He just had to stop and drain his sediment filter every now and then when it started to die )...
Cheers,
Gavin....

Any of you guys bagging the new technology prepared to go to some of the major trucking companies and truck owners, especially the ones that haul long distances in the outback, and bag them for the fact that they run modern diesels? Or are modern diesels simply bad in 4WDs?

And anyone going outback nowadays should be carrying one of these,Mr Funnel Fuel Funnel :

Cheers

Ray

 

[LycraMooseKnuckle]

If the fuel bill isn't a concern then you'd be completely daft to not pick the 4.8...

 

[Hasany]

Any of you guys bagging the new technology prepared to go to some of the major trucking companies and truck owners, especially the ones that haul long distances in the outback, and bag them for the fact that they run modern diesels? Or are modern diesels simply bad in 4WDs?

And anyone going outback nowadays should be carrying one of these,Mr Funnel Fuel Funnel :

Cheers

Ray

they new cat engines are suposed to be cracking heads every 400k's (thats app early for a truck)
but, im for technology, wooo! down with tractor motors

 

[Gavin Thomas]

G'day Ray,
Wish we could all be right all the time like you mate
You sure you were only a Diesel lubie mate ? I though that you must have been a Nuecular Physitist mate - i can't even spell it ! lol
Also Ray, not "bagging" the new technology - just going by CURRENT experience mate.....

Anyway - does all this debate REALLY concern the TD42 ? I think not - maybe we should stick with the real topic...
Poll now shows TD42 just in front - anymore TB48 supporters out there ?
Cheers,
Gavin......

 

[warthog]

Any of you guys bagging the new technology prepared to go to some of the major trucking companies and truck owners, especially the ones that haul long distances in the outback, and bag them for the fact that they run modern diesels? Or are modern diesels simply bad in 4WDs?

Ray

I was in the transport industry in Alice when the cummins signature engine was introduced. Small capacity big HP = short life between rebuilds. When pulling triples, markedly shorter than the engines that preceeded it.

 

[macca 4.8]

You'd have to set a standard fuel price befoe anyone could compare.

Cheers

Ray

yep that would help ... in perth at the moment its about $0.45 for lpg and $1.20 for 91 ULP

 

[bennoGU28]

they new cat engines are suposed to be cracking heads every 400k's (thats app early for a truck)
but, im for technology, wooo! down with tractor motors

You referrring to ACERT? (the C12 / C15 or the C13 ACERT and C15 ACERT)
The earlier C12 and C15 did have some head problems, the only problem to date is fuel effiancy when the engines are run at above torque band (Ie 1800rpm) instead of 1400, but no complaints of power either. 40 psi would do this

X2 for Meeester Funnel.

 

[Ray!]

G'day Ray,
Wish we could all be right all the time like you mate
You sure you were only a Diesel lubie mate ? I though that you must have been a Nuecular Physitist mate - i can't even spell it ! lol
Also Ray, not "bagging" the new technology - just going by CURRENT experience mate.....

Anyway - does all this debate REALLY concern the TD42 ? I think not - maybe we should stick with the real topic...
Poll now shows TD42 just in front - anymore TB48 supporters out there ?
Cheers,
Gavin......

Not saying I'm right, just giving my opinion like everyone else.

I've done many things in my life, studying nuclear physics at one time was part of an engineering degree I was doing. I now work with rocket scientists, literally.

Without comprehensive statistics, current experience, is just opinion.

Cheers

Ray

 

[Gavin Thomas]

F#$king Engineer's - all makes sense now ! lol.....
So the fuel funnel is the link ? Simple....
Anyway, nothing wrong with a good old passonate debate hey,
Cheers mate,
Gavin.....

 

[Ray!]

F#$king Engineer's - all makes sense now ! lol.....
So the fuel funnel is the link ? Simple....
Anyway, nothing wrong with a good old passonate debate hey,
Cheers mate,
Gavin.....

Nope, my early background was applied science, now a project manager in science research.

Cheers

Ray

 

[GOLDGQ]

you must not have seen a $10000 injector pump bill on a 4 year old car.

Obviously he has no idea about new injectors & pumps in these modern computerised deisels either.. Like the fact there not servicable and well the price of them... May as well sell your car if the injectors need replacing


To me the buetey and idea of a deisel is the fact that its an all mechanical engine without computers and electrics etc.. thats why i have a TD42 , Just look at the issues of air flow meters ect on new deisels and how many things there are to go wrong.. Cheaper to service? ROFL!!


Dave

 

[Gavin Thomas]

G'day again all,
The crazy thing about the new technology is that it's main aim is to increase efficency while decreasing emmissons.... All good when new & working correctly - but then people start blocking off EGR valves, removing cat convertors, blocking off charcoal canisters, blocking off vac lines, etc, etc, etc So no longer doing it's so called "bit for the environment" ....:headwall:
Not to mention the cost of replacing failed electronic sensors....
( great for the manufacture's spare parts trade )...
Also for efficency - i've read here that the new CRD uses more fuel than the "old" ZD30 ? Please correct me if i'm wrong....

Anyway i own a gas guzzling heavy TB45 Patrol, and equally thirsty & poluting old G60 Patrol + old tech 1962 XK Falcon sedan - & couldn't be happier !! ..... :doh:, :eyepoke: , :withstup: , lol
Cheers,
Gavin........